it was a kgb operation. here is the twist, the kgb and we know from from their own personal documents the kgb lost control and they were surprised by how much anti-semitism was out there. those first few attacks in 1959 and 1960 those are deliberately printed by kgb operatives precisely for the propaganda reasons but suddenly it's everywhere and the kgb is scratching their head, does this help us or not? the real issue, though, and this all draws to a head in 1965 is that the soviets come back and they say to the americans, if you want to mention anti-semitism and you want to mention that, then let's mention all the isms, naziism, neo nazism, colonialism and -- and this believe it or not in the mid '60s before the six-day war, before the atmosphere of the 1970s is the birth of the idea of zionism is racism. it comes out of ironically a fight over how to stop anti-semitism and morris abrahm is struggling across -- he's struggling because he still believes that the world will see ultimately that we can make a

and some of this is using fake information, the kgb is a major operating tool. calledployed what they active measures that sought to influence politics elsewhere, including fabrications that the cia created the aids epidemic. , the assassination scandal was also post for by the kgb as one of their earlier active measures. so these kinds of things have been around for a long time. the u.s. central intelligence agency has also been part of waging campaigns of disinformation. one of its missions is to engage in black propaganda, different from white propaganda, which we know where that is coming from and we know it's authentic. black propaganda means we don't know the sponsor and it may or may not be true. it is meant to be disruptive and incriminating. or to create problems. that was a major focal point for cia activities. frank which leads us to ways never -- who was a and what was radio free europe? kenneth: frank was the early mastermind of cia covert operations. he ran a shop, they called it the opposite of policy coordination. if you find something with the n

. >> he was once a kgb agent but turned into a vocal critic of russia. when he was poisoned in london, it made headlines around the world. >> it's polonium. >> a lethal toxin in a cup of tea. >> a kind of dirty little bomb. >> nuclear terrorism. >> why was he killed? we follow the tale of a dark >> are you threatened for your life? >> we'll meet and confront the prime suspect -- did you put polonium in the tea? and now is the danger coming closer? >> with two men waiting in the bushes, one man said shoot him. >> an attack on the expert helping us about this story. >> people say, oh, it's never going to happen here. i know it can happen here because it happened to my husband. interconnected, but what about their deaths? random acts, or, as some suspect, part of an international murder conspiracy that stretches across two continents and several world capitals? tonight, we'll investigate who wanted them dead and why. the case will take us from moscow to rome to london, into a world of spies and spy-catchers of corruption and those who dare to expose it. a w

the kgb is a major operating tool. they employed with the called active measures, to influence politics elsewhere, some of these including fabrications of the caa created the aids epidemic, that the jfk assassination scandal was also as anothery the kgb early active measures. so these kinds of things have been around a long time. the u.s. intelligence agency has also been part of waging campaigns of this information. one of its missions is to engage in black propaganda. means we know where it is coming from and we know it is often authentic, or we at least know the sponsor. black propaganda means we don't know the sponsor and it may or may not be true. it is meant to be disruptive and incriminating. or to create problems. and in that was a major focal point of caa activities. c.i.a. activities. steve: which leads us to radio free europe and frank wisner. who was frank and what was radio free europe? kenneth: frank was the early mastermind of cia covert operations. he ran a shop, they called it the opposite of policy co

and the kgb. in the administration of the president of the russian federation and in the russian government. i cannot imagine another example like that when a political polit secret service takes over the way it did in russian federation. and it is very difficult to overcome because obviously people from these type of organizations, they accustomed to conduct cland stein operations. they cannot allow others to exist because right away they get exposed. so anyway, it is a very, very dangerous form of government. >> now as you know the major papers and major news outlets are very keen to cover the on going --. how this plays where you are. do you think our concern is justified? >> i think there are two sides to this story. for one it is not the first time that russia, or then it was the soviet union interfered in american elections. in fact it happened when, you know, reagan went for reelection and there was a whole scale operation conducted by all three resident -- in the united states. one in new

he's turned over to the kgb.video clip] in moscow, nikita khrushchev saying that downed pilot gary powers was alive. the plane was brought down mayday, less than two weeks before the summit talks. mr. k was quick to lay on the incident for propaganda advantage. the story of a most sensational operation revealed. the state department spokesman gave the reason for the flights. >> given the state of the world today, intelligence collection activities are practiced by our countries. and postwar history certainly reveals that the soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. gary: they interrogate my father for three months and they put him before trial, an international show trial to embarrass the united states. he is sent to prison. he serves a total of 21 months before being exchanged for soviets by rudolf abel. that is a quick condensed version. if you would like to learn more about the incident, google c-span gary powers. there's a one-hour lecture online you can watch and get a full detailed account. i

the kgb is a major operating tool, employing what they call "active measures." they sought to influence issues. some of these include fabrications that the cia created the aids epidemic. the jfk assassination scandal was also put forward by the kgb as one of their early active measures, so these kinds of things have been around for a long time. the u.s. central intelligence agency also has been part of waging campaigns of disinformation. one of its missions is to engage in black propaganda. that is different from white propaganda, which as we know where it is coming from, and we know it is authentic, or at least we know the sponsor. "black propaganda" means we don't know the sponsor and it may or may not be true. it is meant to be disruptive and incriminating or create problems, and that was a major focal point for cia activities. steve: that leads us to radio free europe, and frank wisner. who was he? what was radio free europe? kenneth: frank wisner was the early mastermind of cia covert operations. he ran a shop called the opposite of policy coordination. --

had my father not been shot down over the soviet union, imprisoned by the kgb or alternately exchange for a soviet spy, if movies had not been made about him or books written about him i might have a different interest. my dad died when oust 12 years old. that time it was too late to ask many questions. in high school was -- high school i was very introverted. i do not understand the significance of that will my father went through. in college i came out of my shell. i started to ask questions. in starting my research to vindicate my father. i knew there was controversy that surrounded him. i was trying to find out the truth. that desire to find out the truth set me on a lifelong passion the find out all i could about the u-2 incident. i realized they had to learn more about the cold war to understand the u-2 incident. that's why started on this path. as i grew and developed and found that more information about the cold war, what i discovered is that there were hundreds, thousands of men and women who fought, sacrificed and died from the time period that did not have any recognition.

some of this is using fake information, the kgb is a major operating tool. employing what they call active measures. some of these include fabrications that the sea that -- that the cia created the aids epidemic. these kinds of things have been around for a long time. the u.s. central intelligence been part ofso waging campaigns of disinformation. one of its missions is to engage knowack propaganda we where it's coming from and we know it's authentic. black propaganda means we don't know the sponsor and it may or may not be true. destructive and incriminating. that was a major focal point for cia activities. >> frank was in her, who was he in what was freight -- what was radio free europe? was the early mastermind of cia covert operations. he ran a shop called the opposite of policy coordination. it means it is probably up to something secret. it's meant to be innocuous to hide what they are doing. they engaged in all kinds of bribery, dirty tricks, propaganda, you name it. one of the earliest and most important initiatives was the creation of radio free eur

then he's turned over to the kgb. ♪ >> pilot gary powers of the downed american reconnaissance plane alive. the plane was brought down on may dayless than two we less th before the summit talks. out in the open came the story of the most sensational intelligence operations yet revealed. america officially admitted extensive flights over and around russia but unarmed planes during the last five years. state department spokesman lincoln white gives the reasons for the flights. >> given the state of the world today, intelligence collection activities are practiced by all countries and post-war history certainly reveals that the soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. >> they interrogate my father for three months. they put him before an international show trial to embarrass the united states. his sentence is ten years in prison. he serves a total of 21 months before being exchanged for soviet spy rudolph able. that's a very quick condensed version. if you'd like to learn more google c-span and gary powers. there's a one-hour lecture from the virginia historical society o

then, he is turned over to the kgb. ♪ [video clip] >> in moscow, nikita khrushchev 's shown as he told soviet presidium that the downed american pilot, gary powers, was alive. that the russians have found photographs made 30,000 miles --ide soviet borders a major inside soviet borders. the plane was brought down mayday, less than two weeks before the summit talks. state department spokesman lincolnwood gives the reason for the flight. >> given the state of the war today, intelligence collection activities are practiced what all countries. as first war history certainly reveals, the soviet union has not been lagging behind in this field. >> they interrogate my father for three months, they put him before trial, an international show trial to embarrass the united states. he is sentenced to 21 years in prison. he serves a total of 21 months before being exchanged for rudolf abel. that is a quick condensed version. if you would like to learn more about the incident, and what my father went through google , c-span gary powers. there's a one-hour lecture online you can watch and get a full,

had my father not been shot down over the soviet union, imprisoned by the kgb or ultimately exchangedoviet spy, if movies had not been made about him or books written about him, i might have a different interest. but my dad died when he was 12 years old. at that time, it was too late to ask him any questions. so in high school, i was very introverted. i didn't understand the significance of what my father went through. or why people wanted to talk to me about it. in college, i came out of my shell. he was curious. i started to ask questions. and i wasn't starting my research to vindicate my father. i knew there was controversy that surrounded him. but i also wanted to find out the truth so i knew how to answer questions. and so that desire to find out the truth set me on a life-long passion to find out all i could about the u2 incident. but the more i learned about the u2 incident, the more questions there were. and i realized i had to understand more about the cold war to understand the u2 incident to learn more about my father. and so that's why i started on this path, and as i grew

kgb messaging in the middle of the night? google no. that's good. what about notification messages?on silent. neat and my mum have trust, she knows i will not be on my phone from the minute i laid down to the minute i wake up. ricardo? the trust is still there, but i agree with molly, when my mum sees me texting on my phone, she will take it, that i respect my mum's orders and most of the time i leave my phone for a way for me in my bedroom. of the time i leave my phone for a way for me in my bedroomlj of the time i leave my phone for a way for me in my bedroom. i and alastair, my company makes educational films that try to help out with tricky subjects like this. we just recently did a film called my myselfie and i, it is less about the content and the addiction levels. when you talk about taking breaks, it is a habit like smoking, gambling or anything like that, it needs regulation. you can't monitor everything, it is ultimately about open dialogue, that is what the films hope to do, to encourage people. a lot of young people feel a pressure to perform online and sometimes the onl

if you were a kgb spymaster, would you really collude with donald trump and put yourself one tweet awaytion, on perhaps the most secret operation in its recent history? the answer is no they wouldn't do that. would you hold a hyper sensitive meeting at trump tower with half the media downstairs and not actually produce the evidence promised, instead, talk about adoptions? no the most obviously explanation is probably the right one. >> that there was not collusion in the hacking of the system. what appears to be the case is that stone wanted to get access to this information. that's not illegal. journalists, operatives, academics, all try to get their hands-on material like this, whether it's whistle blowing or it came from one source or another. there is nothing illegal in that. i they so far we're one collusion short of making that case. >> okay. ki only imagine the blowback that the two of us will get for delving into details. it's okay. i just want to follow the facts. how about this, so if you've got manafort and kilimnik at a cigar bar in new york city. again, i'm looking at it fro

the kgb only wish they had this power back in the day.ook, google and amazon has just by but there's no consequences for. at some point there has to be because the carrot doesn't work. lou: this is a president who is keenly aware that u.s. policies haven't worked. he is also confident now by cte, he backed off of the consequences for cte, now paying the consequences for his role in spine. but doing so only within our court system, not as a result as a national security response. how much longer can we go before saying straightforward to the chinese, there will be a response on national security terms if you continue to steal from this country each year and carry out acts of espionage nonstop. >> i think they need to put the hammer down on them. the upcoming upcoming g but you have australia, new sheet ruling, japan the probably have to spend five years, the best way to stop this is to quit allowing the government of china to subsidize the electronic system to where is all chinese infrastructure. there is no infrastructure in place. it's n

he's i ther getting rolled by a professional kgb agent, but it should unite continuation. >> it's also the reason why this count counterintelligence investigation may still be ongoing. we know it was folded into the special counsel's work, but when the president of the united states says he believes president putin, says he doesn't believe his intelligence approvals, underminds them, even in the last 24 hours, those are red flags and we don't know if the didn't of justice ever concluded it. any time he makes a statement or tweets like he did earlier today, that makes me think that this counterintelligence investigation into him may be ongoing. >> add that to the long list of things that we'll perhaps learn more about if and when we see the final report. it's interesting in terms of what we're hearing in terms of backlash to this interview, senator lindsey graham saying he wants to investigate. vowing to investigate. take a look at his comments over the weekend. >> there's an allegation by the acting fbi director at the time that the acting attorney general was basically treeing to do a

. >> he was once a kgb agent but turned into a vocal critic of russia. was poisoned in london, it made headlines around the world. >> it's polonium. >> a lethal toxin in a cup of tea. >> a kind of dirty little bomb. >> nuclear terrorism. >> why was he killed? we follow the tale of a dark >> are you threatened for your life? >> we'll meet and confront the prime suspect -- did you put polonium in the tea? and now is the danger coming closer? >> with two men waiting in t

remember, the kgb and its predecessors are the ones that enforce soviet totalitarianism. you cannot do it -- nazi germany, you had the gestapo and the ss. khrushchev wants to change that. temporarily, it works. he also allows the other members of the warsaw pact to liberalize a little which kind of backfires on him when the hungarians revolt. and then he turns round and crushes it. gorbachev was a khrushchev-ite and was so disappointed about the hungarian intervention. and then, you read more about gorbachev, and you find out about 1968. i point to you because you brought it up. what the prague intervention. a really dispirited gorbachev. everything we know is that gorbachev and his fellow reformers went underground. they kept quiet and moved up in the bureaucracy. so, by the time 1984 happens, and the end of 1984, what does he do before he is named general secretary? he does something that jumps out at us -- >> a premier died and he led the politburo or the discussions -- prof. tudda: chernenko is dying and he is taking more of a defective role and soviet experts watchin

twist to the story, some people, some jewish groups, are asking, maybe this whole thing is a soviet kgb operation. there is debate about this. who is behind it? they arrest some people and they are classic, lowlife vandals. but how could they do this so quickly across the whole world? maybe it is diplomats. maybe it is the soviets. there is a debate about, much like we struggle with anti- semitism today, are there ties between these people? what is driving it? he suspects the soviets have a hand in it and in effect this is the moment to make human rights work by forcing through some major new changes. he is moving through a series of positions in the kennedy and johnson administrations and he ends up as the delegate to the u.n. commission on human rights at the same time he has stepped into a role with the american jewish committee. what is interesting about this moment is why does he think that going to the u.n. with this explosive topic will succeed, because he knows all this. he says we have just begin to succeed in this country. we have just begun to make major strides in this count

that donald trump will believe vladimir putin just speaks to that slavish devotion he has to the ex-kgb office. that has to be adjudicated through the special counsel and god knows we just hope that the president of the united states is not fully under the sway of the russian leader and is just misguided. i doubt it, but we should hope. >> i am going to toss in a topic from out of left field. it was mentioned earlier on the broadcast, the controversy over vaccinating our children. over the past 24 hours, a former national security aide in the obama administration said on cnn that she would not be surprised that this too has fallen under the umbrella of the \russian bots and russian efforts to foment division in our country, that there's nothing really that they wouldn't get their hands on to foment something that would drag me apart from you and other people in our lives. is it plausible to you? >> it's not only plausible, it's true, and i know everything in my world apparently comes out to russia, russia, russia, but in this case, we have seen enormous effort, not in the united states,

no president of the united states should ever believe a former kgb operative over u.s. intelligence officials. it makes you wonder what does putin have on trump that would make him behave this way. >> the president has reacted to all of this. he and his allies on trump tv have had a narrative that these are rogue elements of the deep state who didn't like the results of the election and are plotting a coup. what is your reaction to that framework for understanding these events? >> i'm a former prosecutor. these are law enforcement personnel. they are looking at facts trying to determine if crimes are committed. rosenstein is a republican. he is looking at the same thing we all saw which is the president fired the fbi director and then went on national tv a couple of days later and said i did it because of the russia investigation. that looks like textbook obstruction of justice. it macks you wonder what is this president doing. >> what does it say about the status to your mind constitutionally of justice department which seems to be kind of the core question here? it is

a top russian diplomat denies any offer was made, but experts wouldn't put it past the former kgb agenta summit with president trump and kim jong-un is planned for next month. until then, there isn't much of a deal between the u.s. and north korea. and based on that thew reporting, it makes you wonder is putin working to cut a deal with kim first? let's discuss now. juliet, what do you think? could kim and putin be teaming up to ruffle some trump feathers? >> this is so embarrassing that we -- the president of the united states stands with both these men but in particular the leader of north korea says nothing about human rights abuses or the kind of country it is and basically just wants to be loved. and then doesn't get what he wants, which president trump admitted this week, did thought get what he wanted. and then putin sweeps in to try and get some sort of sweet deal both for russia but also obviously to make donald trump look bad. if you ask what's the incentive here, and i think it's important to note also that in the intelligence assessment, something that got lost in all the dr

he's kgb from his toes to his head. that's what he is. >> right. >> what will happen if he gets away with this? what kind of a government would we have at this point? >> i'm pretty sure when you're talking about robert mueller, a man who was an fbi officer his entire life. he's got all the bearings of eliot nest. there's no one to this administration that's untouchable. when benedict arnold gave the plans to west point and they captured major andre, they didn't have any real plaevidenc linking those plans to benedict arnold. every one knew it was treason when they caught the man and they hung him. at some point there's going to be a bridge of data that will be unassailable. if donald trump through a series of coindens knew nothing about the myriad of basic activities around him that started back in 2012 and end up with multiple indictments around him then i've got a bridge to sell you in brooklyn. >> ken, are we as tough as george washington. when he was head of the arm he hanged that guy. >> no. short answer. it will b

it's run by a former kgb colonel. did i tell you that?lity, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. but let's just look at how the president is dealing with russia. how do you deal with bullies? there's only the right way to deal with bullies, you don't cave to them, you don't send hillary to give them a nice plastic reset button, that's not how you deal with bullies. let's just go back in time. if you haven't heard this don't take my word for it, check it out. after russia broke a 70-year taboo, invaded its neighbor, annexed, stole its territory, what did the 44th president of the united states, barack obama, do? this isn't a joke. he shipped blankets to the ukrainians. blankets. so they will have something to wrap the dead bodies in, i guess. what did we do when we got to the white house? we instigated one of the toughest sanction regimes in modern history, when we heard of the assassination attempt in the uk we kicked out 60 russian diplomats. okay? spies. and then what did we send kiev? did we send them more blankets? did we send th

it is important we cannot forget, now we have vladimir putin, former kgb, he is still a threat. he is in a race to be number one globally. we can't let that happen. >> the president would say that he has been tough on russia, that he has implemented sanctions on them and when we look at russia, they invaded crimea, interfered in elections, questions abound regarding russia's willingness to comply with the imf regulations which now they're dismissing this morning. is there any way you think to encourage, to solidify russia honoring that treaty? >> i think we have to get tougher on russia. i think we have to let russia know we mean business. i think russia has continually violated our air space. they taunted us in many ways. they imposed themselves in our election, inserted themselves in our elections, so they're testing us globally. it's almost as if they don't care, especially as relates to donald trump. we need leadership that's going to be tough on russia and will let russia know. we don't need symbolic sanctioning, we neared hard sanctions that will make them realize america

russian president over our intelligence services -- by the way, the russian president is a trained kgb officer who are trained in the arts of manipulation. >> and not to -- >> it's a little concerning. >> and not to question what the incentive would be for vladimir putin to make that statement to the u.s. president. it's that ending of the "60 minutes" piece where andy mccabe says the memos, those contemrainuous memos of those conversations with the president are with mueller's team right now. significant? >> i think that's very significant because the contemporaneous aspect of them makes them much more credible, whatever baggage mccabe may have. i think that's why if i'm trump's counsel, i don't want some testimony now coming out for those memos are going to be floated. we can play 20/20 heiindsight b all the information confronting them, all the worries they had, that's all going to come out. and if you are trump's people, you don't want that coming out now. it just adds to the firestorm. >> nice to have you both, thank you. >>> the white house says it's ready for any potential legal

i believe vladimir putin who is a trained kgb agent in manipulation, meaning he'll manipulate any source of information he can to his advantage. that's what concerns me about that whole process of the president just not having that comfort level with the intelligence community. i don't know who is wis phisper in his ear he shouldn't. i hope coats and haspel are. that's how you make a decision based on the information they are collecting and providing and analyzing for you. >> isn't this yet another example of the president's weird deference to vladimir putin? this is not just any leader. this is vladimir putin who he was trying to do business with, who was helping him win the election. i mean, there is something bizarre and perhaps sinister about the president's relationship with russia. this has been a theme. this has -- the core of the mueller investigation. it is not just any foreign leader whose advice he's taking. it's vladimir putin. >> karen finney, this must drive you crazy. it must drive you crazy. after having lived through hillary clinton's campaign and now to see andrew mccab

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>> welsh vladamir, of course, served in the kgb and was director of russia's federal security police, the fsp. and he, like his intelligence predecessors in the current group, they call the united states their main enemy. the heart of it is was scares putin the most is democracy. liberties we enjoy in this country existed in russia, he'd be in jail. so what he wants to do is deflate what is not military threat from the west with the threat to him and his own regime from our value. >> dana: do you think the president will be able to dissuade him of this? >> i think we do need to be worried about russian missiles. i'm sure it's a high collection priority for us to collect intelligence on the new hyper sonic missile as we always have. but remember, with vladamir putin who in 2007 talked about withdrawing because of china's would be violation if they had been signatory. putin tested missiles in violation of the treaty. we've been living with russia's violations for years. what we're doing now is exposing the hypocrisy of russia. >> dana: always fun to do on this show. we appreciate it. da

he lied about his relationship with this russian who is close to russian intelligence, the old kgb. he lied about. that he left by a separate exit. the three had the suggestion they were doing something they weren't proud to have the world know about it and now he lied about it. it might have been what the post is calling the fulcrum of the whole deal. the link-up that will lead to a lockup between russians and the trump people. >> when i heard the reporting about the cigar bar meeting, a couple of tactical pieces fell into place for me as a former career prosecutor. here's why. there's been so much litigation about whether manafort lied or not, right? multiple court hearings. there's been testimony. do we really think that the only thing going to was that bob mueller wanted paul manafort to get 12 years instead of ten years? i don't think so. here's how the cigar bar litigation, you have three people, kilimnik, gates, manafort. gates and manafort have both told mueller what was said at that meeting. let's assume quid pro quo was said at that meeting. the russians will keep help tru

. >> is the former kgb colonel getting inside his head?would not have much difficulty pushing something like donald trump's buttons. he does have the training that all basic case officers have which is to identify vulnerabilities in your target. putin is looking at trump as a target. >> when top u.s. intelligence officials contradicted him, iran's dangers or north korea's will to denuclearize he dismissed that and said they must go back to school. he has presented a sunnier picture than his director of national intelligence. >> a lot has been accomplished. >> nuclear weapons is critical to regime survival. >> a key question tonight, if trump goes into his upcoming summit with kim jong-un believing what he wants to believe about kim's intentions instead of trusting u.s. intelligence, what could happen? >> he might declare that he has ended the nuclear threat, that north korea has made a solid commitment which might take away the leverage needed to have monitoring and verification to prove that north korea is giving up nuclear weapons. >> it

>> well, because of, you know, you consider putin's background as a trained, experienced kgb agent and he would approach somebody that he is trying to influence or gain leverage over. and in this case, you know, appeal to ego. and so in that -- in that sense, in that context, is what i think of when i mean potential unwitting asset. >> okay. so then a witting asset, what would that look like? >> well, that, to me, would be -- which frankly i rather doubt, is a recruited asset who is responding to direction of a case officer. again, i'll put that -- that phrase in quotes. and i really don't think that's the situation here. so i think it's -- if that is the case, it would be more unwitting than witting. >> yeah. and so is the robert mueller investigation enough to -- if that's -- if that's the possible scenario that you're looking at and you think that what andrew mccabe said is a possible scenario, is the robert mueller investigation and what's happening in congress enough? >> well, i don't know. i mean, that's a big -- the big question. i think the hope is that the mueller investigatio

remember, the kgb and its predecessors are the ones that enforce soviet totalitarianism. germanyot do it -- nazi come you had the gestapo and the ss. khrushchev wants to change that. works.rily, it he also allows the other members of the warsaw pact to liberalize a little which kind of backfires on him when the hungarians revolt. and then he turns round and crushes it. gorbachev was a khrushchev-ite and was so disappointed about the hungarian intervention. abouten, you read more gorbachev, and you find out about 1968. i point to you because you brought it up. something that jumps out at us -- led themier died and he politburo or the discussions -- chernenko is dying and he is taking more of a defective role and soviet experts watching say they think we -- say, we think he is going to be the new guy. what is the more public thing? he makes a famous trip to london in 1984. december. right before christmas. where a very famous phrase -- i think we can do business with this guy. what does gorbachev tell her? she is no naÏve mcfarlane, poindexter guide. person whory tough is n

even though the soviet union collapsed, one part of soviet society which never did, putin served in kgbstic security police, this is all about russia's intelligence service and the military complex needing to portray the west as russia's main enemy in order for themselves to remain in power. they are very aware that there's a lot of people in russia who don't buy into russia corruption and look to the united states as the city -- bright shining city on the hill and that's the last thing putin wants. eric: corrupts, corrupts absolutely, daniel hoffman thank you to the service at our nation. >> thank you. arthel: thanks, dan. wal-mart making changes to timeoff policy, what the company is doing that could put more money in the paychecks of their employees, plus ralph northam deputy's lieutenant governor justin fairfax just issuing statement saying he does not want to governor to resign. more on the fallout coming up next. >> my belief that i did not wear the costume or attend the party of clear memory i made in same period of my life. it has protein, plus 21 vitamins and minerals including

you have a commander in chief who is actually taking the side of vladimir putin, an ex-kgb agent over own dni, his own military. >> yes, and people around him, who have lied, and the question is going to continue to be, did they lie, because they were inveterate liars or was there a conspiracy. and we don't know the answer. the curious thing consistently is how, why does donald trump continuously support vladimir putin. why has he not called him out? why he is so soft on him? and adam schiff has wondered was there any money laundered through the trump organization. >> and giving vladimir putin the biggest gift he can give by retreating from syria. >> there are concerns that he is truly giving vladimir putin a gift, because putin has something on him. we don't know that. when are we going to see the tax return? do you think they will indicate or give us a little bit more information as to what president trump's intentions are with russia? >> wut when someone hides something, there is usually a reason for. that and the ways and means committee, having a hearing today, talking about pres

when he attacks the cia or when he attacks the dni or when he decides to believe the word of an ex- kgbis own republican appointees. instead of the word of a republican appointed fbi direct tor or republican appointed dni director or republican appointed cia director or appointed lead of homeland security. yesterday he decides he's got all this evidence, possibility of evidence, possibility of felonies and crimes committed by the president of the united states. he's going to attack the fbi. way to go. you made your republican party proud yesterday. >> still with joe, willie and me we have columnist david ig nashs and president of the national action net work reverend al sharpton. and former gop counsel for the house oversight committee and daily beast opinion writer. we'll get to all those but first the very latest from the vietnam summit which ended as abruptly as it began. >> we thought and i thought and secretary pompeo felt that it wasn't a good thing to be signing anything. we had some options and at this time we decided not to do any of the options and we'll see where that goes, b

collapse of the soviet union was not only political failure, but a personal failure since he was a kgb restoring russia to what he considers is s rightful place in the world. >> many foreign policy experts have talked about over the past decade russian foreign policy that is fueled primarily by resentment. is that still true in 2019? >> i think a lot of that resentment is still there and you can hear that, you can see that when putin speaks. but it is also a newfound sense of confidence. you look at russia in the middle east, it has now become the main power broker there as the u.s. retreats. so the resentment against the west is there, but russia now feels that it is back on the stage and it will continue to want to be there. >> so angela at the moment it sometimes feels that we are living in putin's world. we're living in a world where our kind of western alliances are frayed, where he has influence europe through disinformation campaigns, but what happens next if the u.s. is led by a different kind of president who restores his alliances, takes more active measures against -- russia

>> putin's statement was standard script from the kgb.oing back to 2008 when they were testing the ssc8 intermediate cruise missile. and the obama administration never real really confronted russia so here we are where russia has violated the treaty and what the united states has done and i think rightly so, recognizing that yeurrecognizinn living with this for years and russia has been critical in the ways they're violating this treaty. >> it's not a treaty if they're cheating by it, if we're abiding by it and they're breaking the rules. what types of weapons might they develop? how could this change things? >> i mentioned the ssc8, they've developed a hyper sonic weapon. putin has done that. what he doesn't want to do is get into a serious arms race with the united states given the disparity in our economies. but he does want a state of conflict with the united states which he considers his main enemy. it's our democracy that scarce him and he conflates a state of military conflict with conflict between our two countries and our values.