. >> he was once a kgb agent but turned into a vocal critic of russia. it made headlines around the world. a lethal toxin in a cup of tea. >> it's almost a tiny little drty bomb. >> why was he killed? to unravel the mystery we follow the tale of a mystery. we'll meet and confront the prime suspect. >> did you put it in the tea? >> an attack on the expert helping us with this story. >> people say oh, it's never going to happen here. i know that it can happen here because it happened to my husband. >> hello and welcome to "date line." former russian agent was a vocal critic of the russian government but in his world access to information could make you a very rich man or a dead one. his murder set off an international investigation to discover who wanted him silenced. >> a former russian agent poisoned. a multimillionaire found dead in his bathroom. an investigative reporter executed in front of her home. their lives had been interconnected, but what about their deaths? random acts, or, as some suspect, part of an international murder conspiracy that stret

you have to give it to putin he was the master, when he was at the kgb, the art of twisting things andg it information. his interview was a masterpiece of disinformation. he was talking nonsense, first of all, saying liberal values are outdated, which is not true. they're still the dominant, and the fundamental philosophy still. he was also collating it with letting migrants come in and rape people and the rights of lg bt people. he was making a completely false association. yet, you pay tribute to his smarts in doing so. so how does he manage to spin that, in your view, what is clever about it? he uses the weakness of the west to make himself stronger. the problem is us in the west who are just complacent and we are not taking up what is a fundamental historic battle against our foundational values. what i find extraordinary in the interview with the ft is that the interviewers did not ask him the right questions, they didn't push him. it is, as you say, this complacency in the world. if liberalism was so bad, why do refugees from all over the world want to come to europe? but we will

and i think the problem is that vladimir putin -- he's kgb.vladimir putin is what he is, and he is running that nation with an effort to try to rebuild the russian empire he's been quoted saying that one of the worst tragedies of the 20th century was the fact that the soviet union crumbled.it and so, i thin very important for us to recognize they very clearly are adversaries. >> so, against that backdrop of president putin's aspiration to reassemble russia as a majorce geopolitical fdo you think about what would happen if t russed to mimic the actions of the invasion of crimea and ukraine bh a nato ally, like estonia, and what would you support the administration doing in that case? >> absolutely we invoke article 5. nato is the single-most successful military alliance in the history of mankind. td it is an alliance that depends very much russians recognizing that we willat all times, come to th aid of nato members if they're attacked i think that it's important for to make sure that the russians understand that message so they don't make a mi

>> no, but irgc is a state within a state like the kgb in old soviet union, with their open hospitals and universities and all that. the irgc is a powerful organization that has dirt on everyone, the biggest budget, they do not answer to president rouhani. there is no chain of command like we know. kennedy: that is so weird, what is an apatro approach okay reta. >> today, he went out of his way to a irgc, 4 times to not say iran. or iranian air force, he said the irgc missile from an irgc base. kennedy: we have to point out this administration dubbed the irgcas a terrorist organization. >> they have been docto for dec. you can tell that pentagon wants to be precise about this any strike package or target package will be probably all irgctargets starting with the exact grid square where that missile came from in gulf of oh oman side, wt is clear to me, someone back-channel contact in tehran contacted pompeo said that was not us. that was the irgc, they want trump defeated, they think they can provoke him to the very expensive middle eastern war he campaigned against. kennedy: so what h

. >> what we don't do is have a religious kgb that sniffs out all the religious monuments and tears themown. and that's what the court was saying today. >> justice ruth bader ginsburg dissented today joined by justice sotomayor or writing "maintaining peace in a public highway over nonreligion. opponents of the cross including the interfaith alliance argued today's opinion actually harms of religious freedom. "the supreme court has slowly been shifting away of the separation between religion and government in this country. allowing the religious beliefs of some more weight than others. as the supreme court wraps up the final days of this term, we will wait on the decision whether the trump administration has a legitimate reason for adding a citizenship question to the 202 2020 census. some think it will leave minorities undercounted. the justices are also weighing two cases on the issue of partisan gerrymandering. so depending on how broadly or narrowly they do that it could impact control the house and next year's election. we will get the next round of opinion at 10:00 a.m. eastern tom

the kgb took my film out of my camera.e wasn't harmless. >> he wasn't an evil ogre. >> we didn't know it. >> one time before he was running i saw him at the adel concert and i guess he had -- >> i can't picture trump at an adel concert. it was at radio city. adel was doing a specific thing. i went over to him. he was sitting with melania. why are you doing this? you really want to be president. have you seen the poll numbers? that's all i cares about. i have more. i interviewed melania on one of my hln shows. she's a birther, too. she's a birther. >> we're going to get to the wall. trump versus the women. female candidates had very different on stage demeanors, how they played against trump in the general election. we talked about how kamala killed it last night. >> she did. >> the women obviously have a different challenge. women striving for power than men, and i think she had the perfect note versus i think elizabeth warren be and kirsten gillibrand don't have the right note to speak to men and women. amy klobuchar. am

russia has been a bad actor, vladimir putin is an unresolved kgb -- he is not a series ally, no chance he can be. i'm surprised the president repeats the mistakes president obama of trying to reach relations with russia. we should focus on china but pooling russia in our orbit isn't going to work. shannon: i mentioned at the outset we have a situation with the two warships collided will being closer than they should have been over the mediterranean. in the skies we have reports of three interactions in a 3-hour period between us and russian fighter jets that were potentially troublesome. all that is happening publicly. the chairman of the national association of reserve officers said it is not by chance these actions happened during the visit to russia by the head of the people's republic of china. >> vladimir putin playing typical games trying to use military strength which is one of their advantages to show china they are still worth something. what they are asking china to do is invest lots of money into russia. russia is saying we are not just a basket case. we can push back on the

you believe the kgb successors, such as sdr or the chair you continue these practices? yes. i tell you from my own experience, 30 some years ago when i started law enforcement, the only way you can find out about somebody was hard at work, going out, knocking on doors and actually physically talking to him. nowadays, with social media and cyber techniques and artificial intelligence available to natalie the open public, but more sophisticated versions of that to hostile intelligence services, they have a pretty good idea of what you like, what you don't like, we want to hang out with, where you go for coffee and it just makes them much easier of a target, i will tell you the modern-day version of what some of what of us have done 25-30 years ago provides much more available information to targets of a . >> thank you and finally we discussed the concept of lack mail or several points today. can you explain how the use of blackmail or leverage, including financial leverage over government officials by foreign powers can pose a counterintelligence threat? i believe this should

but in its heyday, the kgb collected information on its surveillance targets.o you believe the kgb's successors, such as fsb or fdr, or the gru continue these practices? mr. anderson: yes, and i will tell you from my experience. when i started in law enforcement, the only way you could find out about somebody was hard-fought work, knocking on doors and physically talking to them. nowadays with social media and cyber techniques and artificial intelligences available to not only the open public but more sophisticated versions of that to hostile intelligence services, they have a pretty good idea of what you like, what you don't like, who you want to hang out with, where are you going to go for coffee. it makes them much easier of a target. i would tell you that the modern day version of what some of us have done 25, 30 years ago provides much more available information to target somebody. >> thank you. and finally, we discussed the concept of blackmail at several points today. but can you explain how the use of blackmail or leverage including financial leverage o

here he is, a guy who grew up in the cold war, knows what the russians are about and kgb is about and we know what soviet media is, government control by the government, you screw around, you're dead. here he is chuckling with this guy about our free media compared to russian state media, where you don't have free media, beyond vomit. >> there's no historical parallel. everyone thinks helsinki is the bottom but here there is no bottom. you have the president of the united states joking and making fun of this whole issue. understand the president not only thinks he was vindicated, he got away with the russian conspiracy, that he was vindicated by the mueller report which he was not. because of that, he's making light of it. this is one of the reasons why the democrats in congress need to move ahead more aggressively, because this is a pret who, number one -- president, who, number one, is making light of it and sending a signal to the world and vladamir putin, that he's not taking it seriously, treating it like a joke and will not aggressively protect the integrity of next year's elect

russia has been a bad actor, putin is kgb. no chance he is an ally of the united states. surprised the president is trying to reset relations with russia. we need to focus on china. pulling russia into our orbit won't work and they aren't doing it. >> shannon: as i mentioned at the outset we have this situation now with the two warships potentially colliding or being closer than they should have been in the waters and the mediterranean in the skies we have reports this week that there were three interactions in a three-hour period between u.s. and russian fighters jets that were troublesome. all of that is happening publicly. they say it's not by chance these actions happened during the visit to russia by the head of the people's republic of china, john. >> well, this is putin playing his typical games trying to use their military strength which is still one of their advantages to show china they're still worth something. what they're asking china to do is invest lots of money into russia. russia is saying we aren't just a basket case. we can help you push back on the uni

and i have always thought in addition to his training in the kgb as a russian security officers, one thing to understand about him he's a judo expert. he is trained to use the strengths of stronger opponents against them. when he saw dysfunction in our system, he saw to take advantage. i think he is as surprised as donald trump was that trump won, but i think he sought to accelerate the chaos in our system and put the thumb on the scale of hillary clinton. putin,efore we leave tell us the story, because you were actually there, for the famous meeting between putin and hillary clinton back when he still kind of liked hillary clinton, and she asked him about siberian tigers. mr. burns: yeah, the conversation had been desultry until then. it was president putin talking complaining about american policy and we talked about , things to discuss. bearing in mind his bare-chested persona, he sees himself as a great outdoorsman, and he took had taken a particular interest in tagging siberian tigers as well as polar bears in the insian far east and way up the arctic north. as the conversation

trying to keep that from happening, we had to change our appearance so that we would not leave the kgbreign agents, if they caught us, they would probably throw us out of the country. if they call to the agents, they would kill them. we used everything from masks to pop up dummies, to a lot of techniques that came out of hollywood, that came out of the magic industry in la. >> one of the fascinating parts about the book is when you describe how someone will be walking down the street, and change clothing very quickly to blend in, so perhaps they are wearing a suit, then they rip it off, but they are especially designed clothing. i can go from looking like best , to looking like a hippie maybe. >> it is very casual on the streets, and nobody notices, but it is a form of choreography, it is call would rehearse it in our own buildings until it was seamless. and you could do it in a crowd.>> this something that i knowadvised people who travel overseas, not to look american because that can make them targets. this is why i have the four gamma knife. americans, they eat like this, they cut t

this is exactly the sort of thing that kgb used to do to u.s.n really remember. how seriously are presidential campaigns taking this threat of deep fakes and are they prepared to handle it? >> no, and that's a great point about the heritage of it. this is a modern take on it. we saw it with the recent speaker pelosi video that's just the beginning. you can do much more convincing ones. what we found from the campaigns was a lot of finger pointing. the campaigns say, oh, that's the democratic national committee's job. you call the dnc and they say that's ultimately up to the campaigns. somebody said department of homeland security, somebody else said the media, the trump campaign said the media distorts what we say anyway. we do a lot of checking. we talked to a consultant who said they met with a number of campaigns and came away discouraged, said that they didn't seem serious about investing the resources it would take here. we're told what campaigns need to do is have a rapid response plan if you're tagged with one of these, they need to devel

>> i'm a little pre-disposed not to think too highly of vladimir putin and his kgb cronies.ssian intelligence officers in the c.i.a. i would have preferred to throttle him verbally, of course, warn him. we have reportedly taken a cyber strike, precision one against some of those entities that were launching attacks against our democracy. if we do that we need to be clear about the threat it poses. i think that's the whole point of deterrents for 2020. >> shannon: well, this trip and the president's next leg will keep us busy through the weekend as we watch. thank you both. our midnight hero making a big difference in a child's life one step at a time. you'll meet him next. enough re. so jealous. yeah i can't wait to get that shave-ice! what's shave-ice? it's like a hawaiian snow-cone. why not just say snow-cone? i don't know, they call it shave-ice. you fly to hawaii for this? i don't go there for the ice. you saved up your rewards points for ice? ...that's a lot of ice. go rewards® credit card from navy federal credit union... our members are the mission. ♪ is this ride saf

vladimir putin is not technically a former agent bage former kgb. >> we should air on the inclusive side. i'm not saying reporting it to the fbi would constitute a prosecution. let's let law enforcement professionals make that determinati determination. in the past world, you wouldn't need it because any legitimate candidate for president would have enough sense to know if a foreign nation was offering them dirt on one of their opponents, they'd call law enforcement. it's not the case with this white house. i'm not even saying this legislation is not geared at mr. trump. we clearly know the russian play book is out there. m they may choose to intervene on behalf of a democratic candidate or someone else. >> former republican congressman david jolly said last night to brian williams on the face of it what the president said last night should force nancy pe los to go forward and start impeachment fact finding hearings. >> i think speaker pelosi has navigated this as well as you can. i'm leaving that to the house where i'm focused because we still have to finish our bipartisan investigation

how about the great lion of the senate, ted kennedy, who used surrogates to contact the kgb to try to reagan and his reelection in 1984. and nancy pelosi, who could forget nancy pelosi into thousands have been undermining the bush administration, george w. bush, running off to meet with a genocidal dictator, the father of the current genocidal dictator in syria undermining our national security. who could remember the democrat speaker before that, jim wright, running off to nicaragua to meet ortega, another genocidal communist. i mean, the democrats -- it's a joke. i want to address one of the thing, too. you talked about bernie sanders. two plagiarists in the race, joe biden, who was a well-known plagiarist because he is too dumb to even say things on his own, but then there is berne has stolen his agenda from joseph stalin from the soviet union in 1936. i want to educate a cnn, msnbc, "the new york times" and all the rest of them. >> sean: mark, wait a second. that's a task impossible but for the benefit of our audience i will let you do it for them. >> okay, chapter ten, 1936 const

by the way, not just a foreign government, actual hostile foreign power, autocratic regime lead by kgb soviet style leader who is actively trying to undermine our country, the integrity of our democratic elections, it's fundamentally different than what every campaign, as dirty as it is, i don't like it either which is opposition research. to compare is disappointed an deeply disappointed to see the consider consider for a half of moment which he did in the campaign which chris just said was a joke, foreign interference influence and intrigue is our what our founding fathers were worried about and not be joked about. >> we can't lose sight of, this dirtiness agrees on both sides, there's members of the dnc going to meet with representatives from foreign governments to try to find on what they have on business dealings or michael cohen, compiled political dossier that the clinton campaign paid. they cause a lot of damage, we don't want to lose sight of that at the end of the day unforced news cycle of the president that he didn't need to create after mueller report said clearly there wa

i thought they were going to blame the russians or the kgb but that didn't happen.verything went wrong. >> sean: i thought the russians didn't. >> can i make one point that it got lost in the discussion here? i agree with joe absolutely, the idea that they spend more time on set design then figuring out whether or not people could hear or listen to the debate it's been a much ridiculous. but the other thing that is interesting in this whole deal, if you look at this whole last cycle, the republican one back in 2016, the first night that fox hosted the debate in cleveland, we had 24 million people. at last night, 15 million people and by the way, it was on three networks. telemundo, msnbc and nbc. the idea that with all three combined, that they were that low on the scale to compare it to where we where shows a lack of enthusiasm and interest in this race that hasn't gotten talked about today. >> sean: everything happened on their watch. obama-biden's record stands on their own. obamacare, 13 more million on food stamps, lowest recovery since the '40s. i said all the

like to think dwight eisenhower, good republican president, saying it is okay if you conspire with the kgbthis nation. in the most fundamental action of democracy, which was elected our president, but the question is what are we going to do about this and this means this is a message to us that we have to remove this threat from the oval office. he is a clear and present danger to democracy. and i will say, we have to figure out, look, if he would do this again, i'm a candidate for president -- if he would do this again. >> and let me stop you. because you said we have to remove this threat from the oval office. my understanding is until this point you have been in line with nancy pelosi to impeachment. does this change your thinking. >> we have to remove him by any means necessary, including defeating him at the electoral ballot box. >> sow don't think this is means for beginning an impeachment proceeding? >> i believe the president as we've seen his comments in the last two weeks is forcing the u.s. congress to bring impeachment proceedings, to give them no choice. and when a president s

then vladimir putin, the former kgb agent turned president of russia who is suspect number one in thef several journalists and others inside and outside of russia. today donald trump joked around with vladimir putin publicly and obviously had no intention of threatening vladimir putin about interfering in our next election. >> will you tell russia not to meddle in the 2020 election. >> don't meddle in the election. >> putin's translator correctly translated to that to please meddle in the election and please help me win. you have a right to believe that donald trump believes he cannot win the electoral college without the help that he got from russia last time. british prime minister teresa may told vladimir putin what a real president of the united states would have told putin. prime minister may told him to stop russia's irresponsible and destabilizing activity that threatening the uk and allies, including hostile interventions in other countries and disinformation and cyber attacks and told putin his country's use of the deadly nerve agent on british soil was a truly despicable act

dealt with, it begins with the president of the united states that understands this guy, putin, was a kgb operative. this is unacceptable. i believe that a lot of everyday americans, including independents and republicans look at this, they remember the history with russia and they look at this, say wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. why is trump so cozy with this guy, and it is endangering our country. and so i think this is -- look what they did in ukraine, another example of we cannot allow russia to keep expanding to other countries. that's something america never would have allowed in the past. we have to stop that now. yeah. it is time for the president to be held fully responsible for the fact he is literally in a treasonous relationship with vladimir putin. >> mayor, thank you for joining us. good luck on the campaign trail. >> thank you very much, wolf. >>> just ahead, more on the outrage among progressive democrats after the house of representatives just approved the senate version of a border aid bill. will speaker pelosi's reversal come back to haunt her. >>> and we'll ta

he's ex-kgb. he knows there are two ways to get at this. one is disrupting world powers and coming relevant that way. the other is by having economic strength and and a strong economy. so he's doing this -- it's not about donald trump. and the problem is for donald trump, it can only be about donald trump. so everything that the american public is hearing on the republican side of this is, you know, russians didn't affect the election. russians didn't affect the election. yes, they did. we're still talking about it, stephanie. and it is -- we're now on to the next election and it's still an issue that they are rummaging around in propaganda, old-fashioned propaganda in a new-fangled way to influence democracy and break the backbone of democracies all over the world. >> do you think we have a handle on what russia is capable of and do you think we're actually doing anything? they're saying the president doesn't want to touch this because he fears it delegitimizes him. can you take him out of this and say we've got to protect this country? >>

doesn't mean that the intelligence services in russia, which by the way the president was a former kgbone of the most violent intelligence organizations in the world. they disbanded it. and then he went into politics. this stuff is going on right now, there's no doubt in my mind. >> here's the thing that -- i'm confounded today. today is kate's unfounded is this -- we have seen in rare circumstances the republicans standing up and saying it's wrong, full stop, there's no, you know, no asterisks to it, take tariffs, take china trade, take -- china trade war. we've seen this before. even when it comes to the saudi arms deal. you have republicans standing up. not here, though, jamie. not here. and i'm -- i don't know why. and we don't know why, but i'm just -- >> so not yet. let's see if anything changes over the next 24 hours. just to go back to what robert said for one second. to his point, in last two years what is the one thing we have known that every intelligence service has told us -- the russians were meddling. >> the one thing not -- >> that is not debatable. what did donald trum

is, a guy who grew up in the cold war, who know what's the russians are all about, know what's the kgball about, thand we know what soviet media is. you scoot around, you're dead. there he is chuckling with this guy about our free media compared to russian state controlled media, like you don't have fake media. it's beyond vomit material. your comments. >> there is no historical parallel for this. a lot of us thousand helsinki was the bottom. but with this president, there is no bottom. so here you have the president of the united states joking and making fun of this whole issue. look, this is something that i think we ought to understand that the president not only thinks he was vindicated. let me put hit the way, that he got away with the russian conspiracy, that he was vindicated by the mueller report, which of course he was not. and because of that, he's making light of it. this is one of the reasons why the democrats in congress need to move ahead more aggressively, because this is a president who, number one, is making light of it. but he is also sending a signal to the world, an

he's asking for the kgb, for russia, to interfere again in our elections. there is no question about it. this is flat out against the law. of course, this has never happened in american history. it truly worries me what this president is about because he doesn't understand foreign influence in our elections. >> susan, bob mentions the law, you are a lawyer. the law, it shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or indirectly to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value in connection with a federal, state or local election. i should note that in the special counsel's report robert mueller mentions surely value to a campaign here. is the president endorsing breaking u.s. campaign finance law? >> i think potentially he is. one thing that the mueller report does make clear that robert mueller believes that things like opposition research, the kind of dirt that was offered in that trump tower meeting to john jr. and jared kushner does qualify as a thing of value under campaign finance law. the reason why mueller declined to press ch

it has an opportunity to take advantage and i've always thought in addition to his training in the kgb as a russian security officers, one thing to understand about him he's a judo expert. he's trained to use the strengths of stronger opponents against them. when he saw dysfunction in our system, he's to take advantage. i think he's as surprised as donald trump was that trump won, but i think he sought to accelerate the chaos in our system and put the thumb on the scale of hillary clinton. >> you were there for the famous meeting between putin and hillary clinton back when he still kind of liked hillary clinton and she asked him about siberian tigers? >> yeah, the conversation had been desultry until then and president putin talking about-- and we talked about things to discuss. bearing in mind his bare-chested persona he sees himself as a great outdoorsman and he took interest in tagging siberian tigers as well as polar bears in the arctic north. with the conversation deteriorating she asked him about that and i've rarely seen putin more animated and he lit up talking about his plans

the soviet kgb collected reames of information on surveillance targets.do you believe the kgb successors, such at ffb or fdr or the gru continue these practices? >> yes, and i tell you from my own experience, 30-some years ago when i started in law enforcement, the an way to find about something was hard footwork knocking don -- on doors and now days social media ask cybertechniques and artificial intelligence available to not only the open public but more sophies tick indicate versions to -- sophisticated services, they have a pretty good idea what you like, don't like, who you hang out with go for coffee and makes it an easier target. the modern-day version of what some was done 25-30 years ago provides much more available information to target somebody. >> thank you. and finally, we discussed concept of blackmail at several points today. can you explain how the use of blackmail or leverage including financial leverage, over government officials, by foreign powers, can pose a counterintelligence threat -- danger, and i believe that should be of importan

kgb agents, russia, nope we're not even friends. >> how big of a deal is tariffs for the retailers rightonsumer prices have really gone up to this point. >> we haven't seen anything in consumer prices. the consumer's not feeling anything retailers are feeling something because they know what's coming and they know they're going to have to deal with it, and they're starting to change supply lines and all of the things they would have to do the consumer hasn't seen a thing. as we saw in may, 1.4% down on $1 billion worth of imports coming into the country. i mean, $1 trillion worth of imports coming into the country. that's $14 billion worth of good news, where the 10% tariffs on $200 million is only $20 million of bad news. it's darn near a wash. so, the consumer hasn't seen anything across the board. now, in any individual product, maybe. if you're an individual retailer and you're bringing in some specific sku and that's all you've got to sell, you may be seeing a lot but if you're walmart, you're not seeing anything yet. >> so walmart's not even seeing the pinch internally they're not

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after dissidents o opponents abroad especially chinese nationals basically like combination of the kgbit reaches, this report doesn't say when companies were affected but presumably, they concluded u.s. companies remember china promised president obama, in 2015 to cease cyberattacks against u.s. companies going into g20 don't know what will happen this is a question if we can trust china to implement any sort of agreement they break, also we saw millions in hong kong that is also the result of china breaking a promise and an international agreement, to have universal sufficient rage in hong kong respect hong kong's economy i think speaks to the importance that trump has put maintaining enforcement mechanism on any trade deal with china, the ability to to reimpose tariffs when they don't like. i think probably indicates we're not likely to get a deal with china, but the administration will probably focus more on one with japan, and, of course, implementing the replacement for nafta. >> you think that maybe u.s. ends up doing a deal with japan, india perhaps then maybe bilateral deals wi

back inhad a situation sent0's, where ted kennedy someone to talk to the kgb about interference in our election to help defeat ronald reagan. president obama interfered with israel's election, as was stated. call aboutntlemen's robo calls. the whole thing has been corrupted and has been influenced. not is why we need c-span to be partisan, but to explain the facts, and not have an opinion when you present your shows. it's so important that people are informed and not getting opinion news. , he was trying to work with russia. he said that he was going to be able to work with them better after the election. there was a lot of things going on, just like trumpets trying to work with them. we have to try to work with them, but we have to keep an eye on them. and trump displays the media. thatew when he said that the media would go crazy. he loves it. he has been using them, he's laughing because he knew that's going to be on the new cycle this week and we had the democratic clown show the other night. mr. trump will get reelected, it's so obvious, people understand what's going on. lookreci

i mean, strike one was him standing next to putin in helsinki saying, i take the word of the former kgbntelligence chiefs. second was as you noted, not just allowing attorney general barr to have access to intelligence information, but actually empowering barr to declassify, to publish the names of sources, the intelligence source and method information over the objection of the director of national intelligence, cia director and national intelligence director. strike three, he says i'm not going to engage in human intelligence gathering against adversaries, which is the purpose of the central intelligence agency. it is a key pillar of american defense. if you line up those three strikes, most people in the intelligence community are not just shaking their head but they're going to back out and say, we are out of here. we are not doing this. >> i totally agree. jeremy, i have one more for you. the top diplomat for u.s. arms will be on capitol hill today facing lawmakers who are outraged by an $8 billion arms sale to saudi arabia that they did not get congressional approval for. just las

this of course follows him in the helsinki saying he trusted vladimir putin, the ex-kgb chief who saide of the soviet union was one of the greatest geopolitical tragedies of the 20th century. he said he trusted him over his intel chiefs, over the fbi director he selected. over the nsa director he selected. over coats the director of ndi, over the cia director. over his military generals. so he's done that before. and last night, he decided to joke about a situation that kirstjen nielsen when she was donald trump's secretary of homeland security said this is a threat to american democracy. it wasn't the editorial pages of "the new york times." or nation magazine that was saying this. it was actually donald trump's own appointees. and he's still not getting this right. you should ask yourself why. if you want the answer, do yourself a favor and read the mueller report. >> oh, my gosh. >> the truth is out there. you just have to read it. >> you can watch him testify on july 17th. >> also, mika, one more piece of context, two weeks ago to george stephanopoulos he said i'd take it if offere