the cold war and it is nowjust continuing and another factor that adds to the complexity is that the kgb2020 american elections. so, spreading these kinds of rumours potentially helps create added tensions between the united states and china and that might have an impact on the outcome of the 2020 elections. of course nowadays everything is amplified through social media. what are those platforms, twitter, facebook etc doing about this? it is very interesting what the platforms are doing in response to the fake news thatis doing in response to the fake news that is spreading about the coronavirus. facebook in fact has diverged from the other two major accou nts diverged from the other two major accounts twitter and youtube, owned by google. facebook has taken the policy of censoring or shutting down any messages that do not meet its third party fact checking standards. twitter and youtube are letting that content ride on their platforms but they are providing a link to a who side or the centre for disease control site. this is the first time that facebook has actually shut down content t

to the experts and very astutely in her way said at the end of the talk, this is a continuation of kgb tactics and russian stuff. she grew up in ukraine during the, in the former soviet union. and she said maybe what we need to think about isn't that -- we don't need to think that this propaganda's new, because the tactics aren't new. the things we're seeing are continuation of things we've seen for a very long time. it's the technology and the way technology's being leveraged that's making it so much more potent. we see automation, anonymity, we see these things, the problems of scale, quantum computing, all of these issues are things we need to be considering. but while we consider them, we also need to consider the way the people who are behind them are using them. so marina taught me we need the look to history. we have to think about how propaganda's been used in the past and have a deep understanderring of the terminology that we use to discuss this stuff. because what we say matters. right now there's a sort of, a sort of epidemic in this cup of using the term fake news. and the

aside decisions with our allies for political interests endangers us all. >> we're regarding an ex-kgbr and his country. ukrainian soldiers died during that period of time they didn't get those weapons systems from the united states. to katie's point, donald trump on wednesday will give permission to the world to attack the united states. he will say -- and not just anyone who has information. no, no, no, no, no. imagine north korea's bureau 221, their intelligence agency that hacked sony now hacking everybody. or directly attacking the states on election day and donald trump gets a false victory but he says no, no, no, that's legitimate. i will not relinquish power. in an enormous number of horrible scenarios that u.s. cyber command, dhs, the fbi could all not even possibly have imagined three years ago, now you have the president of the united states giving a go order to maybe saudi arabia. maybe iran will do something because america is now a target and there are no defenses. there's not even -- you don't even have to use a trojan horse. walk through the front gate and destroy the c

and and it is almost a modern-day kgb, they can go into your home without following the fourth amendment. i don't think that is correct. >> mister stewart. >> i love the values most modern immigrants bring here. they often come here with more american spirit for individualism and community and working hard, the average nativeborn american. i would like to see a relatively open immigration system. while there are laws in the books we have to enforce them. those laws deserve a change. we need a couple years to wrangle with how many people do we want. if we don't want certain people it is our right as americans to say this is not automatic sanctuary. there are other places where people are financially deprived, not impressed but financially deprived and the best solution is export american values, so fewer people feel the need to illegally cross borders because they are prosperous. >> let's go to mister sloan? >> i'm not in favor of open borders. a lot of rhetoric donald trump edition like people on welfare being denied a green card. the law hasn't changed. my daughter who is sitting in the

listen gr you or sfb which is their former kgb doesn't need to look far for russian agents because theyare doing all the work for russia. it must be a celebration. all they have to do is say something and plan to little feet out there that says he wants varney, he wants trump. he wants joe biden. and america is tearing itself apart they are the tools of russia. not the republican, but the democrats are the tools of russia. and that's why president trump is doing the right thing by blowing it off, ignoring them and not even paying attention to anything that could be coming out of his mouth or out of russia and just what's ago. the american people are going to vote. >> there you are. some breaking news tonight, a much coveted endorsement one by bernie sanders. can you guess who? let's have a look. >> he has been taking a stand for very long time. he has been consistent, he has been convicted, he has been committed. >> i'm not sure what she meant. >> this is a game changer. i love her so much. i think he's the perfect candidate for her to support because she really is of the mind that ther

speaking of the russian government which is extremely corrupt and a half of background and the kgb which is different background. how can you maintain your balance? thank you. >> alex, thank you. thank you for your work in your country. ukrainians are fighting these battles and the battles that i mentioned in the ukrainians are on the frontline and people like alex are the soldiers on the frontline so thank you for that. dealing with corrupt people, you are right it's a challenge and it's also a challenge to see where people are in their trajectory. when i was in ukraine the first time from 2006 to 2009 i dealt with this lutsenko who at the time when i was there he was the minister and not a bad one. my understanding or my perception and my information not corrupt at the time. maybe he had some rough edges but when i came back this time he was a different person, different person. he was named as the prosecutor general and had not prosecuted criminals who had ukrainian, criminals who had ripped off ukrainians and stolen money out of tanks. he was not doing that and a corrupt background.

this would be like margaret thatcher deciding at the height of the cold war to invite the kgb to comethe phone system for mi six. if that would happen ronald reagan would've cut the phone cord and it would've crippled that strategic relationship between reagan and thatcher that led to winning the cold war. in this case boris johnson, other leaders in uk who have decided to let them come directly through the front door and into the 5g system and implement their technology come of this opens up the door to compromising our valuable national security intelligence and it's the reason the united states of america needs to be more careful in who we share our intelligence with. that's why introduce the bill that i did. >> all get to that in a second period i just want you to respond to the argument of the british side that says it's fine because were not letting them in to the core technology and there some sort of cap, 30 or 35% and so what you make of that. >> you can hear a lot of excuses, and here the cheapest option, an option that they're only using it in some small parts of the 5g inf

buff knew it jeff sessions was a kgb and klansman at the same time. this narrative has continued.t's not good for winning voters. if you actually care about your family and your job is not to watch that you will insanity all day, then that's not helping you at all. none of this is helping you. and you are going to vote against it. >> tucker: can we rewind a sphblit why do you think that moment of clarity pass sod fast in the lessons of the election in 2016 were very clear. you forget about voters they will vote against you. democratic voters went for trump. democrats forgot that like within about a day. why? >> it was like a retreating army when there was just chaos everywhere and take care of themselves and think for themselves for a minute. the generals got back in charge wait, wait, wait, remember, they are racist. donald trump is a reyes. half of america is horrible. want system didn't work and they say oh my gosh you are right. a couple russian trolls are the reason why hillary clinton lost. i guess her plane was rerouted from campaigning in the midwest. it's completely insan

did he forget about the kgb? terrorizing the entire population? did he forget millions more died from starvation? did he forget about the bread lines? that was a way of life in the former soviet union waiting in line for basic necessities. oh, milk come a week wheat, bread, medical supplies, all in short supplies and families packed into tiny, poorly maintained government housing and nearly everyone thee lived in poverty and fear excepf course, the leaders themselves. that bernie socialist utopia one notable russian author my political prisoner wrote "all communist parties upon obtaining power and become completely merciless" at the stage before they achieve power, it is necessary to use the guises. well said. for bernie, is he that stupid? for all of these guises? by the way he did not just praise the soviet union. that is only one example. 1985 he visited nicaragua's brutal leader at the time, daniel wealth or take up to celebrate the anniversary of the socialist revolution there. bernie called ortega an impressive guy. even praised the country'

, vermont, and did he interact with the kgb? can't believe he didn't. i can't believe they didn't know everything about what he was doing. i hope some of the can give me that answer. host: let's go to ray, calling from pennsylvania on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning, jesse. one problem that i have is this meddling, the russians meddling. i have never seen on your program, and i'll bet you cannot show me an example, of how they meddled. i heard things, they put things on social media. can you show me one example? always talk about is their meddling, but not one concrete example. not one ad on television. nothing. some of these more runs you got calling -- these more runs -- heres you got calling in -- oh, of course they are interfering -- no. c-spanave been watching from its inception, it is starting to convince me that you are leaning left when you use the washington post and the new york times as an example. 95% of what they put in there is nothing but garbage, as far as i'm concerned. but can you show

well, for the same reason that the old kgb and new svr and the chinese intelligence services push thevide america. they have believed that forever and they believe it now. but, now the difference is the democratic party is spreading the same thing. they have literally gotten their hands around the words, the actions, and the policies of soviet and russian-style communism and chinese style communism and i guarantee you that's where they're going. you can look at these words and whether it's the democratic socialists of america or the communist party of the u.s.a., i will give you another example. barack obama talked about the fundamental transformation of america. huey newton the co-founder of the black panther party in 1970 in a speech at boston college talked about the total transformation of america. >> tucker: well, that's what -- they are certainly trying to transform america and promoting race hatred along the way. terry turchie, thanks for the book. thanks for coming on tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: rod blagojevich the former illinois governor out of

audience is going the same way you are in terms of a rooting audience and the other 15 people are probably kgbts but i was speaking to the audience it came out of my heart when the puck came out to center ice with a few seconds to go, the word that came in my head was miraculous and it had nothing to do with where we were as a country at the time or the cold war on ice it had to do with the unbelievable short sporunbleeele spo unbelievable sports upset. but i had no idea that it would live in perpetuity as long as it has. >> and al mentioned your name a number of times. i think it was 40 years ago today that you beat west germ y germany, i think you scored a couple goals and i wrote in the intro that you scored the goedd the gold mn goal against finland after beating the soviets. >> and what everybody doesn't realize, we did have to play finland. and yes, i scored the winning goal against germany and the fins but no question that i didn't score the right goal rizzo scored the right winning goal and as he says, you know, 3 inches to the left and he'd be painting bridges so we're all really prou

it's almost like a modern-day kgb that they can just go into your home without following the fourth amendment >>. >> i love the values that most modern immigrants bring here with more of an american spirit and community and working hard that maybe the average native american born american so i would like to see a relatively open immigration system. but while there are laws on the books we have to enforce them. i think that is a change we need a couple years to wrangle with what kind of people do we want? that is our right to say n no, this is not an automatic century there other places in the world for people who are financially deprived. not oppressed but deprived. the best solution i think is export american values so fewer people feel the need to illegally cross borders because they are prosperous at home. >> and now the same question on immigration. >>. >> lot of the rhetoric for people on welfare the law has not changed by the way my daughter by her mother to america and she gave birth in the united states that is still a law they have not changed it they are talking about changing the l

president for apparently if not collaborating with the soviets, with the russians again, the former soviet kgb director, mr. putin, and not going the other way. would you think kevin mccarthy, the house leader will do it? do you think mitch mcconnell will do it? name a republican who has the stuff to tell the president you have to be attacking the russians for interfering with our elections, not keeping it secret. >> there is no evidence, sadly, chris, that any of them will put their oath of office ahead of their partisan interests. this is what george washington washed about when he said farewell after leaving the presidency. he warned about foreign interference and he warned about the rise of factions or parties that would subordinate the national interests to partisan interests. there is apparently one republican in the whole of the congress, mitt romney from my state of utah, a man of probity and rectitude who has the guts and bearing to stand up and call out what's wrong in a time of corruptio corruption, in a time of decency, in a time of faithlessness to the institutions and the concept

it's done in a very, frankly, kgb fashion. you know, where there is sort of a knight night of long knives. a knock at the door in the middle of the night. it's done in a way to intimidate, to cause fear among people who would speak up. i want to say one thing which is the earlier guest mentioned ambassador taylor and ambassador yovanovitch and sort of referred to them as trump critics. they're not. they weren't trump critics. they are career professionals, foreign service officers. in fact, in bill taylor's case, he was asked by secretary pompeo and president trump to go back to kyiv and serve in this role. so that's the concern, which is that the career professionals who have served across administrations, they're not democrats, they're not republicans, will not -- not be in their posts. but more importantly, they'll be fearful of speaking out. >> well, we have had guests on our show who talk about the fact that the president feels emboldened after this week. what consequences, if any, could there be for retaliating against w

it's almost like a modern-day kgb where they can just go into your home without following the fourth amendment. >> mr. stewart? >> ith love the value that most moderate immigrants bring here. they often come here with more of an americans. for individualism and community and working hard than the average native american american. i would like to see a relatively open immigration system but while there are laws on the bookss we have to enforce them. i think those laws deserve a change. i think we need a couple years to really wrangle with what kind of people do we want. if we don't want certain people it is our right as americans to say no, this is not an automatic sanctuary. there are other places in the world for people who are financially deprived. not oppress but financially deprived in the best solution is i think export american values to as many nations as possible so that fewer people feel the need to illegally cross the border because they are prosperous and happy at home. and i think you mr. stewart and mr. sloan the question on immigration. >> i'm to find out in favor of op

country, i look at what ice has done in some of the southern states, it is almost like a modern-day kgb. they can just go into your home without following the fourth amendment. >> mr. stewart. values that most modern immigrants bring here. with more come here of an american spirit for working hard that maybe the average american born american. i would like to see a relatively open immigration system. but while there are laws on the books, we have to enforce them. those laws deserve a change, we need a couple years to wrangle with what kind of people do we want? we do not want certain people, it is our right as americans to say no, this is not an automatic sanctuary, there are other places for people who are financially deprived. not oppressed, but financially deprived. is exportolution american values to as many nations as possible so fewer people feel the need to cross borders because they are prosperous and happy at home. >> mr. stewart. same question on immigration. >> i am not in favor of open borders. i think a lot of the rhetoric mr. trump has issued, like people on welfare would

how upsetting this whole matter is that the president of the united states on foreign soil and former kgbas dismissed the value and the real facts that have been brought to him by the u.s. intelligence operators. all sorts of people start issuing statements in the republican party and his aides are coming to his state room to say, we have to do something. phil knows chapter 2 of that better than i so i'm going to turn to him now. >> once they landed back in the u.s. there was a cleanup effort underway and it took a couple of days. there's a scene in the book where kelly and conway early the next morning is in the oval office with the president kind of scrambling to help figure out how to correct the statement and how trump can show he supports the intelligence community when importing shows in fact he never did and never really has believed them. >> and the other one, he sort of did the same thing with kim jong-un. in terms of the 2019 meeting with Ãwhere he basically took his word for it. is that part and parcel of this intoxication with power you think? he just wants to believe these pe

>> absolutely, that's been the kgb's strategy to push disinformation to sow discord among american, that'soodr electoral system or our democracy. maria: at this point, the 2020 toss-ups, nevada caucuses are tomorrow, winning a swing state could be tricky for democrats, how do you see things going into the caucuses, let's start, in fact, jonathan, with you after the mess that we saw in iowa, what do you think we should expect now coming up? >> it's funny, nevada dropped the iowa caucus app like it was hot, you know, they've had 3 weeks to come up with a different system, that's what worries me, they've had about 3 weeks and, you know, i2000 ipads that have been distributed to people to keep track of things, i have no idea what's going to happen, but hopefully it's not a mess like iowa was. >> i want to ask both gentlemen a question after the debate, it just seems to me even if i was a democrat, i couldn't find anyone on that stage that looked electable or even halfway likable, what is the thinking amongst the democrats now of someone who can beat trump, go down the line, bloomberg, buttigie

if i were an ex-kgb director in an enemy state like russia, as vladimir putin is, i would encourage allmir putin -- >> who is that good for, malcolm? >> what's it good for? it's not good for anyone. you don't know what nefarious plots and plans are being car rid out against the united states right now and the professionals who passed the data up the chain of command may get to a point where the data won't go any further because the political commissar is too busy trying to take out individuals in the community because he doesn't like their opinion. in israel, the chiefs are amongst the biggest critics of government because their obligation is to tell the truth, and so are our members of the intelligence community, but right now grenell's job is to root out enemies of the state of the czar, of donald trump in the exact same way that any other petty third world dictator would do it and we are all in danger because of this decision. >> all right, harry, is there any firewall here, is there any way to stop this? this is a second week in a row you and i are talking about a government agency