assets say inside the italian government are something, that is bad, because asset with the former kgbntellige -- the military is trying to be specifically military, and military intelligence that gathers military information. >> we have seen some reactions condemning what happened in italy, showing solidarity with the italian government, but are we anywhere near to 2018 when many european countries along with nato took punitive actions against russia following the poison attack and the u.k.? marco: if we take it back to the skrupal case, we will find different evaluation of the european response on the poisoning. according to many leaders, the answer of the european government and the u.k. government was not strong enough because no one tried to sanction the real pillar of russian economic power in europe. there is the gas markets and the power of the oligarchs in london and other capitals in europe. on the other side, a part of european, the response was fair enough. today we are at a crossroad because we need as europe to send a strong message to moscow, but on the other site, we ca

they are basing my grandfather's heroism on the kgb documents. foam at the mouth if anybody looked at a kgb document and used that as their proof. but their entire case is based on 3,000 pages of transcripts of the interrogations of my grandfather. and they were interrogating him for leading a rebellion against the soviets. that's all they cared about. they really did not care about the massacre ofjews, yet it was still early days for the soviets. so in those 3,000 pages, there is no evidence that he killed jews, but in their own archives, their own lithuanian archives, in siauliai, when he was district chief of siauliai, during the nazi occupation, he wrote about 1,000 documents. of those 1,000, 70 have to do with the holocaust. so his signature is on 70 of these documents that have to do with the holocaust, creating a ghetto, sending jews to a ghetto, rounding up thejews, collecting their property, distributing their property, and even details of, like, finding barbed wire and nails fora ghetto, so, erm... silvia... to me, this is pretty overwh

when vladimir putin working in the kgb when he get started. but we need to be very clear eyed about the russians. that doesn't mean we should not try to find common ground where we can. maybe we can work together but the primary threat is the nuclear weapons we talked about the new start and the lost opportunity that includes the newer ones that were created along with the threat of the hypersonic vehicles that could deliver a warhead in just minutes. that is a concern and we're playing catch-up on. but some of the recent press where president biden has called putin a killer come i don't know who was surprised by that comment. it may have been in politics but certainly the russian intelligence services have a well-deserved reputation for using those kinds of methods against their critics were other people they think are a threat to their reputation and their country. we have to call it like it is in be very clear eyed about who these people are and their aspirations. to have an equal but opposite reaction to eliminate the chance of mistake or

my colleague was there and the journalist to brought the image on earth did from the kgb image hadn't seen the light of day and it was not used in any war crimes against those in the image. they have the photograph. the name of the photographer. and the date, october 13, 1941 in the photograph was taken in ukraine 100 miles west of kyiv. so that is what started me on this research journey that culminated in the book through that ravine. what did i find particularly striking on this image. feel free to interrupt at any time. i know you have read the book as well. i started to pick apart the pieces and thought how they were representative to me as far as what we know of holocaust memorialization the empty shoes. i start with that in the in the book with the shoes and if we have time i will read from the epilogue and the meaning metaphor of the shoes there are papers strewn about if you look closely now with the advent of digital technology to zoom in and zoom out you can see the bullet casings. the environment. i had the advantage when i started the project in 2009 the field of holocaus

bureau chief in washington, d.c., and while i was not a professional spy, he was, a colonel in the kgb. >> wow. mr. galloway: >> i knew that and they knew i knew that and i hammered them every day. they could stand there like a jackass in a hailstorm and take it. i had fun, you have to have some light of -- amusement in a place like moscow. >> that was a culture shock i guess after the places you had been. mr. galloway: it was, it was the two shades of gray. i gather that it is much improved in some ways and much worse in others but, it looks to me like it is still run by the kgb. whatever they call that form of government they have got, it is a mess and it was a mess then. it is easy to believe that all of the intelligent people ran away in 1917 and all you got left are a nation of potato farmers. >> while. what did you do subsequent to that that you would like to share with us as far as your experiences? mr. galloway: they offered me the paris bureau but i was tired of overseas, so they sent me to los angeles which worked perfectly like another foreign country. [laughter] i had a har

and while i was not a professional spy, he was, the colonel in the kgb. wow.and the russians never make stupid trades. and i knew that, and they knew that i knew that. and i hammer them every day. and they could stand there like a and a hailstorm and take it. [laughs] i had fun, you've got to have some light amusements in a place like moscow. there is not much to be had. >> that was a culture shock, i guess, after places you had been? >> it was. you know, it is 52 shades of gray. and i gather that it is much improved in some ways and much worse in others, but it looks to me like it is still run by the kgb. whatever they call that form of government they have got, it is a mess and it was a mess, then. it is easy to believe that all of the intelligent people ran away 1917 and all you got left all right nation of potato farmers. well. >> jeez. >> what did you do subsequent to that in that you would like to share with us as far as your experiences? >> they offered me the paris bureau, but i was tired of overseas, so they sent me to los angeles which worked perfect

they are basing my grandfather heroic them on the kgb documents.s a — just follow them up but there entire case is based on 3000 pages of transcripts on the interrogations of my grandfather and they were interrogating him for leading a rebellion against the soviets, thatis rebellion against the soviets, that is all they cared about. they really did not care about the massacre of the jewish people but it was still early days of the soviets. in those 3000 pages, there is no evidence that he killed the jewish people. but in their own archives, their own lithuania, when he was district chief during the nazi occupation, he wrote about 1000 documents. of those 1000, 70 have to do with the holocaust so his signature is on 70 of the document that have to do with the holocaust, creating a ghetto, rounding up the jewish people, creating a ghetto, rounding up thejewish people, collecting their property, distributing their property, distributing their property, distributing their property, and even details of finding barbed wire and nails for a ghetto. so, to

>> well, come on, this is a former kcolonel in the kgb who kills his opponents lecturing us about morality. >> what do you think he meant by it? because he does evoke this idea of russia as a kind of maintaining the values of chris a christianity. >> we don't tolerate lgbt people, that's it. the russian propaganda is if you go western liberal way, all your sons will be gay and all your daughters will be lesbian. he has found some countries where this resonates, including in central europe. but i would question whether that's a sign of moral superiority. >> always a pleasure to talk to you. you shed a lot of light on this matter. thank you. >> pleasure. >>> next on gps, words matter. the word genocide has been used a whole lot as of late. is it the right word for the armenian massacre in world war i? or for china's treatment of the people today? udrey's expecting.. -twins! ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. wet dishes? residue? spots? it's not your dishwashers fault. simply add finish jet-dry 3in1 to rinse dry and shine

this is a former colonel in the kgb, one of the most corrupt men in the world who kills his opponentsecturing us about morality. >> but what do you think he mint by it? because he does -- he does invoke this idea of russia as kind of a third realm still maintaining the values of christianity and such. >> oh, yeah, well he means that we don't tolerate lgbt people. that is really it. the russian propaganda, you could see it on the internet, it is if you go the western liberal way, all your sons will be gay and all of your daughters will be lesbian. and he has found some countries where this resonates, including in central europe. but i would question whether that is a sign of moral superiority. >> radek, always a pleasure to talk to you. you shared a lot of light on this matter. thank you. >> pleasure. >>> next on "gps", words matter and the word "genocide" has been used a whole lot as of late. is it the right word for the armenian massacre in world war i or for china's treatment of the uyg uyghurs today. i'll talk to a leading expert about that when we come back. (naj) at fisher invest

once again he chooses in x kgb chief over u.s.telligence agency. >> it is worth asking what did mr. trump do on a day instead of paying attention to this information about russians allegedly offering a bounty to kill u.s. service members. >> sure, blood pay bounties for the death of americans but on the president, i don't mind, that's cool. anything else you might want or need for me? steve: what we need from you, rachel, and you jake and joe and wolf and all the democrat operatives pretending to be journalists is the truth because this week we learned that was all based on intel reports of a low to moderate level of confidence which should leave americans with a low 20 level of confidence in the establishment media. former national security robert o'brien treated he credited the intelligence community for leasing the new analysis and confirming that what the trump administration said at the time was 100% accurate. the question is, why did the establishment push the russia bounty story so hard? just like they push every conceivabl

soviet union ends and accepts arms, implements socialist policies, is accepting soviet advisors from the kgbilitary, eisenhower believed that we had a an even bigger problem with cuba -- we had an even bigger problem with cuba than in guatemala years previously. for eisenhower, it was a matter of keeping the soviets out of our hemisphere and the saying is, it is only 90 miles from the united states. why kennedy went forward with it is a little harder to justify, he did campaign in the 1960 election on freeing cuba, on providing support. he was actually and wittingly saying what the eisenhower met -- administration was doing secretly. he was advocating it openly. he was committed to moving forward on that and he inherited this plan, this plan that had grown from a guerrilla infiltration and supply operation to a conventional amphibious landing and kennedy later rude -- rued the fact that he trusted the experts. host: back to our phone lines, as we do, i want to remind everyone that this is a coproduction with american history tv and being simulcast on c-span3, so let's talk to henry, calling

starting to accept arms, is starting to implement socialist policies, is accepting soviet advisers, both kgb military, eisenhower believed that we have even a bigger problem with cuba becoming part of the soviet orbit than we had with that possibility in guatemala several years previously. for eisenhower it was a matter of keeping the soviets out of our hemisphere. and the thing is, it's only 90 miles from the united states. why kennedy went forward with it is a little harder to justify. he did campaign in the 1960 election on freeing cuba, on providing support. he was actually unwittingly saying what the eisenhower administration was doing secretly. kennedy was advocating it openly. so he was politically committed to moving forward on that. and he inherited this plan, this plan that had grown from a guerilla infiltration and supply operation to a conventional amphibious landing. and kennedy later rued the fact that he had trusted the experts. this left him with a great skepticism of the judgment of cia leaders and u.s. military leaders who were encouraging him on. >> let's go back to our ph

biden administration today assigned blame specifically to the successor agency to what's used to be the kgb. russian intelligence is blamed for both the solar winds attack and the navalny assassination effort. on the bounties allegation, the bounties for u.s. service members being attacks in afghanistan this is very interesting. the intelligence review, apparently, did not disapprove that allegation and that reporting from several months ago, but it also doesn't endorse it. it only endorses that allegation with quote, low to moderate confidence. but i say this appears to be an incident of transparency for public consumption in the intelligence process in the u.s. this is part of what i mean. i mean, the of their assignment of playing by the u.s. government today were essentially definitive, and they resulted in the u.s. government taking action. sanctions for -- new sanctions announced today against multiple russian individuals for the solar winds attack, but on this case of whether russia put bounties on u.s. troops, no action taken. at least that we can tell. white house press secretary,

starting to accept arms, is starting to implement socialist policies, is accepting soviet advisors of kgb military, eisenhower believed that we have even a bigger problem with cuba becoming part of the soviet orbit then we had with that possibility in guatemala several years previously. for eisenhower, it was a matter of keeping the soviets out of our hemisphere. the saying is, it's only 90 miles from the united states. why kennedy went forward with it is a little harder to justify. he did campaign in the 1960 election on freeing cuba, on providing support. he was actually unwittingly saying what the eisenhower administration was doing secretly. kennedy was advocating it openly. he was politically committed to moving forward on that, and he inherited this plan, this plan that had grown from a gorilla infiltration -- guerilla infiltration and supply operation to a conventional amphibious landing. kennedy later rued the fact that he had trusted the experts. this left him with great skepticism of the judgment of cia leaders and u.s. military leaders who were encouraging him on. host: let's g

could you not know that this person you were talking to was a known russian agent who graduated from kgb schools? >> because i have seen. jonathan calm down. >> answer the question. and if you noticed, he never answered the question. the question was were you paying dir cash for information. ben, you were the deputy national security adviser, did any of what giuliani said ring true to you in hindsight now? >> no, i mean, look, the thing is if you follow this at all, if you follow the situation in ukraine at all, what you know is there's all kinds of money washing through that country. the russians operate in ukraine through cutouts, through agents, through assets through ukrainian oligarchs through people who try to enlist the support of people like rudy giuliani to funnel disinformation in american politics, to take care of russian interests in american politics, to maintain the russian position in ukraine. this is well-known to anyone who's looked at ukraine in the last decade. not just since the war broke out there in 2016. there were so many reasons why this was alarming what giulian

administration today assigned blame specifically to the fsb, the successor agency to what used to be the kgb in the old soviet union. again, russian intelligence blamed for both the solarwinds u attack and the navalny assassination efforts. on the bounties allegation, bounties for u.s. service members being attacked in afghanistan, this is very interesting, the intelligence review apparently did not disprove that allegation and that reporting from several ew months ago, but it also doesn't endorse it. it only endorses that allegation with, quote, low to moderate confidence. when i say this appears to be a sort of an incidence of transparency for public consumption in the intelligence process in the u.s., this is part of what i mean. i mean, the other assignments of blame by the u.s. government here today were essentially determinative and they resulted in the u.s. government taking od action. sanctions already against russia for poisoning alexei navalny, new sanctions against russia today against multiple ti individuals and entities for the solarwinds attack. but on this case of whether russ

even after he knew he was the target of russian spies, he still traveled abroad to meet with a kgb-trained ukraine lawmaker, an individual named andre dearcatch. and it later turned out that dearcatch actually was an active russian agent. that's according to the treasury department, which sanctioned derkach in september 2020 for foreign interference in order to undermine the u.s. presidential election. in other words, we now know that the fbi clearly had good reasons to warn giuliani, but rather than heed their advice at the time, he cozied up even more with the russian agent, even inviting him on his podcast to make additional allegations against joe biden. giuliani, who let's remind you is a former federal prosecutor, was carrying on, playing footsie with a russian spy, despite being warned by the fbi. the news comes after federal agents on wednesday raided giuliani's home and office, seizing his electronic devices, as part of a long-running criminal investigation into whether he acted as an unregistered foreign agent. and while giuliani has known that he's been under federal investigati

he's a former kgb guy. i think that is his mentality. it has been his mentality.a as engaging in zairio sum gain. so any win by the united states is a loss to russia in his world view. so he will never be an ally of the united states. he's always someone i think we have to watch carefully. i don't think he's very trustworthy. however, i do think he understands -- he understands the power of politics and he understands if he continues these attacks in the u.s. under this administration, the response will be escalated. >> let's turn to the other news out of the white house, do you agree with this decision to leave afghanistan and just as importantly, the way the president is going about it? >> you mentioned two very important things. first of all, is it time to pull out of afghanistan? the answer is yes. we have really, you know, been there for 20 years. it's hard to believe we're going to be celebrating -- or sadly talking about the anniversary, the 20th anniversary of 9/11 this september, we have people who have fought in this war and now their children are fighti

great article, and you should all read it but some interesting facts fred, you were in a band called "kgblcome to buteaupia." she returns as host of thew episodes wednesdays on netflix please welcome to the show, michelle buteau, in studio ♪ whoo >> oh, oh, oh. hi, everybody! >> seth: people, it's human being! [ laughter ] >> i'm here! >> seth: we're so, so happy to have you here. >> i am so happy to be had, are you kidding? >> seth: and you -- you used to work in local news for wnbc here in the building? >> yes yes, here in 30 rock i worked on the sixth or seventh floor who knows, it was a long time ago, i age well. and i worked the overnight shoot. and it was so crazy cause i would come in, like, a little tipsy every day. no big deal, i was creative. that's what everyone thought >> seth: yep right. >> and i would just edit house fires and fall asleep in my chair and just, like, eat bagels and crepe breakfasts for four years. i am so excited to be here i'm always talking to my 2-year-old twins, and you're an adult! >> seth: 2-year-old twins, my goodness so you started a pandemic basicall

this cronyistic system that's close to childhood friends and calls that he worked with when he was a kgbfficer, have benefited the most. it's uncanny you can make if you're a friend or old friend of vladimir putin in particular. so he has to distribute rent to this network, his popularity is a mitt reresource, he cares about it a lot, own skimming and money that may go and documentary shortly after arrested. social mobilization against inequality has to be avoided at all costs. russia can, develop, yes, but putin said evolutionary and not revolutionary. you have to privatize any games from -- from -- that are available from controlling the states but make -- make the costs of that public. so this russia under siege narrative, russia is a get power narrative that's coming out of russia helps keep that political resource of popularity high and this might help explain why navalny is such a great to putin and also gaining markets and help regime stability without resorting to violence. the domestic model is such that society, not nato is the biggest threat to -- to putin's regime. and the lo

name in the papers, who just wants to be ingratiated, well, that's a pretty easy mark for a former kgb intelligence officer. when you look at the entire strategy, it's really about influence and how you do that influence. and they -- i think they cannot believe to this day what a coup they pulled off in terms of the information space and the influence on the u.s. during the trump years. and i think what we're seeing now that's also going to be a very rocky and really interesting period in the next couple of months is the cutoff between u.s. and russia which was bound to happen at some point after the trump administration. >> so, andrew, clint uses the word "coup." i'm going go there. do you think we will ever know if trump could have won without putin's help? >> no, we won't know that. i don't think -- i don't think that's really actually knowable because i don't think you can really have any individual will be able to say i'm not really sure why i voted this way or that way. but in terms of the systemic issue, it's really important that none of us ever have to ask that question again.

he was a ukrainian oligarch, got a history of going to kgb schools.line up are russian overt narrative so these are hunter biden conspiracies, they match in lockstep and the whole campaign was taken down off social media but that did not stop rudy giuliani. he doubled down on it. and this is where i like to compare him to paul manafort of 2016. paul manafort would run with conspiracies even when they had been debunked. we knew -- we now know that at the time, he was working with the russian agent. look at this route. it's the same thing. giuliani's running with a narrative that we know came out of russia. he was warned about it, and he was working with someone that is linked as a russian agent that is sanctioned. so it's the same thing except for one key difference and distinction. the u.s. government was preemptive this time. social media companies were preemptive and giuliani never stopped. he kept pushing it all the way to the end and you see that with both trump's department of justice and trump's department of treasury, both taking action, essent