compound what was left of it was a petting zoo where khadafi actually was feeding the animals at the time of the attack that's what saved his life and swing set foosball table and i saw nothing unless i was the pentagon continues considers a foosball table and a swing set to be military. value let's talk about the russian envoys visit there in a moment and special envoy there is saying that colonel gadhafi does not fit into libya's future and now you obviously talk to a lot of libyans what did they tell you what did they say they wanted for their future. well it was interesting there are actually some people who originally joining opposition but with the nato attack they figured ok well you may not be happy with khadafi but at least sees a libyan nationalists and some of them have actually gone back to support khadafi there also has been a general amnesty or some rebels have gone back to support khadafi i got the sense we saw spontaneous demonstrations pro khadafi on the road from the tunisian border into tripoli you hear people say. libya was better which means god. are khadafi and

the noose is tightening around so now he's calling khadafi essentially a sponsor of terrorism do you agree with that you have evidence against that. i was directly involved in the nine in the operation in the one nine hundred ninety s. to get terrorists out of libya i can assure president obama and the american people because after he stopped providing sanctuary to terrorists by about nineteen ninety eight all of those people who had been hiding out in libya were disappeared in the desert they were executed they were thrown out they went to other countries that is and this is totally wrong information and i am i am very disappointed that obama and surprised that obama is relying on such shallow arguments to make this our this case against gadhafi will end even years ago we saw congolese arise say they could offer as a partner in terror i mean we saw u.s. officials saying that my question is what about the allegations that khadafi is a terrorist in the way that obama would see it with what he's doing now given a sense that well qaddafi for example was the very first government ever to

well i think you're right that if khadafi leaves that nato will declare this successful humanitarian intervention a successful democratization campaign but it doesn't mean that either of those things is true it's my contention and i think it's clear from the facts that this war in libya would have ended months ago if not for the nato intervention and because of the nato intervention people have continued to die by the hundreds in libya and so what that means is that the intervention actually caused more harm than good secondly will it lead to democratization it doesn't appear so libya at this point seems to be divided regionally and along tribal lines and so you've got a bifurcated libya how are you going to knit those two pieces of the country back together again i don't really know but i would suggest that the best way would be negotiation not through military victories so no i don't think it will in fact be a success for humanitarian intervention or for democratization and certainly not a model for other countries and just to you know more generally on this whole arab spring arab

civil war in libya is it all about democracy is or is it just about to get rid of gadhafi and the khadafi family and it's it has less to do with democracy than just gaining power. well i think peter there was a terrible naive a take a at the beginning of this arab spring in the rest of the international community and they sort of sort of saw this fairy tale where all the people were united against an evil dictator and peacefully they would overthrow the dictator and then we would have jeffersonian democracy and there were a lot of problems with that from the start first of all it's very very different in a country that's divided along sectarian lines ethnic lines clan lines tribal lines in that sort of country where you get an attempted overthrow what you get is an ethnic civil war similarly it's our second it's different whether it's a peaceful uprising or a violent uprising in a violent uprising you're going to get a terribly brutal response from the government as we've seen in libya and third of all not all the folks even the peaceful folks wanted to establish a jeffersonian democracy

distributors of propaganda the wall street journal and to take a letter saying that khadafi is getting ready to flee tripoli why would he has total support from tripoli all the way to the tunisian border we had to go by car we actually encountered one impromptu pro khadafi demonstration on the main highway and we got out and sees people want to know are these you know are these deals being paid by the government as was now it's totally clear when i read this i mean i got into this as a copy of a fly in front of a bitch who is running around tripoli well getting out baskets of the biography you know faking civilian casualty and you know you say yeah it's not really a thought he know and you know that we haven't seen an information war like this a propaganda war since the you know the leading up to the war against iraq and the occupation remember the yellowcake uranium the biological mobile weapons labs you know colin powell holding up the anthrax all that all that nonsense he spent millions innocent civilians slaughtered yes that one thing we did go to the hospital we saw civilians who

khadafi regime was controlled by the central intelligence agency and khadafi privatized three hundred six companies and libyan oil was handed over to the major oil companies axon shell the immobile but the uprising was the occasion for the intervention and demonizing khadafi as they had saddam hussein in previously as a cover and pretexts saddam was their man in baghdad for twenty seven years khadafi had worked hand in glove with the cia and with connally's arise in the ninety's but they demonize him now to give them cover for engender c.s.v. oil subjugating the population the population does not benefit from their natural resources because they're at the disposal of foreign corporations on behalf of the united states and the western powers and resources go outward to foreign corporations that control them the population is in this rated countries with great wealth but they don't enjoy the benefit of it because of the class character of the regime and the nature of the imperial power that controls and installs these regions and maintains them. still to come here on r t there is a rath

way they're observing the situation on the ground in libya making an assessment and in their view khadafi and his government his regime have engaged in human rights violations at a level where he should be indicted and be tried and that is their call. ok let's some critics argue that there's little concrete evidence to support the course but with the i.c.c. make a move in the first place make a move like this if they didn't have that evidence. i don't think the i.c.c. would do this without a real cause they could have done this at any time over the last decade since they were created last decade they have not clearly they see something happening on the ground in libya that is very concerning to them they see the massive population displacement the refugees the death injury and injuries and they view this is if gadhafi leaves this will stop and they have identified the person as the perpetrator so they're going forward they are looking at the peace process here russia hopes that this arrest warrant won't bring a peaceful solution to the situation in libya but in your opinion what effect wi

while i'm not in favor of intervention generally speaking i mean you're talking about forces were khadafi is basically handing out by a grand columns to his men and they're approaching the city that is sort of like the primary opposition stronghold and what was going to happen there if this was allowed to happen i mean there is no issue. of the lower this vote on confirmed allegations i mean are you going to jump in there are you going to go ahead go ahead again i think i suppose you'll stay with history no one. and everyone you know everyone everyone said that there was going to be this terrible bloodbath in benghazi you know and i chased it down and it turns out it was a spokesmen in switzerland that decided there was going to be a bloodbath and ghazi wasn't people in libya who were saying this and the reason well what do you think was going to happen which is his words don't even go to people so he no human you're human rights advocate right human rights watch put out statistics and in two months of fighting in misrata over about two hundred fifty people were killed in two months two h

arena joshua welcome to the program as nato tells the world to prepare for a post khadafi era coalition bombs continue to blitz to libyan capital petzl queues snakes through tripoli with fuel in short supply and scenario made worse as tankers become a regular target for airstrikes were even often reports on civilians caught up in a brutal conflict. it's may have some of the largest oil reserves on the planet but these days labor is also god some of the longest queues at his pastoral stations the international sanctions imposed on them battled colonels regime to not include a few and. but major is targeting ten caloric if this part of the fuel might be used by gadhafi is military forces with roads closed factories at a stop and foreign workers long since gone from the war stricken country is facing its worst energy crisis ever the new realities ordinarily when drivers now spend vast amounts of time here in for a few moments ago this became a common theme here in the media in the country people have been lining up to fill up their cars even days but this line is a little different compare

indictment it now makes it a little bit more difficult for khadafy to go this doesn't make it easier to negotiate his departure unless he goes to a country where the i.c.c. will not get him meanwhile anti-war activists have taken to the streets of london demonstrating against nato military intervention in libya the protest comes amid reports of growing civilian casualties escalating costs and no end in sight to the bloody conflict according to officials the u.k. has already poured more than two hundred million dollars into the campaign and risks doubling that if the opposition drags on further demonstrators say it's time nato was brought to book. right now three times as many as strikes in afghanistan in the a year and nobody's been held to account for this nobody even questions it is not be raised in the british parliament or anywhere else so this goes on yet gadhafi crimes whatever they may well might not be a change is a very different one i think most people around the globe do regard it as double standards in due regard to islamic sceptical chaucer's says that he is sets of limi

in the libyan port city of misrata where rebels using heavy artillery have ramped up on bartman of khadafi troops pro-government forces responded with heavy shelling killing at least six and wounding sixteen others the fighting comes amid insurgents fresh attempts to retake so we're another major oil port and earlier a battle in the port left thirty dead and shut down and he supplier tunisia meanwhile in the capital tripoli colonel khadafi over a chess game with the president of the world chess federation declared he had no intention of stepping down as artie's mary if the notion of reports it's the ordinary people who are bearing the brunt of the war. saddam has been we know has growth of death but doctors have performed any a miracle and the young girl is back home with her family she took a mother to kill herself and. if someone wants to kill me and they do it myself. but who wants to kill the teenager. son was made to c.t. tripoli has been under constant bombardment by nato forces for three months day and night have been fooling around the city with a population of around a million no

think is not right if there's a turn it's because of what's happening on the ground it's because khadafi so in power because it's gone on for as long as it has and because there's a problem between the goal of protecting civilians and regime change which is in a sense what the new goals become and that's really where a lot of the debate is and that that really has to do more with the security council authorization for this particular intervention which is really limited it to protecting civilians it was going to the diplomats reason with the very say we're going to get. go ahead dave and then i want to go to iraq i mean i don't know if you equate the american put the american people not the american people never supported it in the first place at least according to opinion polls and that's why the constitution has this procedure that says before you go to war make sure you get the people to support it as shown by a declaration of war in congress when you american people would never support this intermediate limited kind of intervention that is being done. the way nato is is tied somebody

killed and most of the rebels were going to flee and the civilians were going to be left harmless khadafi said this and he proved that in misrata he was not targeting civilians he was targeting rebels so this was propaganda and it was it was it was formulated to entice a nato intervention and it worked perfectly and nato was played for suckers and we should stop doing that i'm are you going to i think that is complete nonsense and that's the thing so now we're stuck in a difficult situation where it's unclear what nato is for all to be so we understand that right now we're stuck in this limbo situation and you can say the intervention may have caused it but quite frankly i felt like there was a humanitarian emergency that actually required intervention at the time but that's something i think more broadly speaking we can talk about all these things all the obstacles that we're seeing as signs that things might not be optimistic but i think the question we ought to be asking ourselves is given a certain level a certain level of degree of uncertainty that we see in the situation is what rol

so and pan am 103, the bombing of disco in germany, so if khadafy remains in power, it's clear that you him engaged in escalated effort to harm the united states of america obviously. >>> mccain and democratic senior john kerry have a bipartisan resolution ready to go. the congress would approve the war powers act for u.s. involvement in libya. >> there is a new report describing early chaos after the tsunami slammed into nuclear plant. plant workers were unprepared to deal with the emergency. they had to bring protective gear and emergency manuals from distant buildings and they had to borrow equipment from a contractor. the plant operator describes a desperate and heroic effort by the employees to keep the facility from meltdown but precious time was lost because they were struggling with unfamiliar equipment and fear of radiation exposure. >> it's getting war out there. >> 77 by the delta already. 72 in santa rosa. north wind pushing that fog away from parts of the coast but take a look, about 500 feet deep here. it's being squashed by a high high pressure ridge. >> oakland's surging

than reporting the facts as they see them on the ground i think what we're seeing here is you know khadafi before this rebellion started in libya he was part of the international community he'd given up his w m d's in two thousand and three to george w. bush's administration and bush got out there day look what a success is says we're now friends with khadafi the thing is is that many of these libyan rebels and this is one thing that has not been reported in the first targets of the nato air strike was the libyan anti-corruption agency in tripoli they were trying to destroy the documents they had information they were going to actually bring charges against some government ministers for siphoning off libyan oil revenue and putting it in their own swiss bank accounts isn't it funny almost to a person these are the ministers who defected to the rebel movement i think back in the media topics i mean i just want to ask i mean it clearly is especially if in the mood of the country against the kinetic military operations everybody caught in libya how intense it is better now but it's shifting ri

is saying that they want to try khadafi for crimes against humanity that would be like having hitler over the nuremberg trials of nazis you've got european nations in serbia and now in libya bombing and killing civilians that's not the baited shooting out fishing boats and you have them now admittedly trying to assassinate khadafi itself an international war crime the i.c.c. has said nothing about the war crimes in iraq and that eight and a half plus year war afghanistan the admitted massacre so this is really a joke in the way the i.c.c. carries out trials is a joke just like the world criminal court was love them illogic and again i'm not saying any of these guys are good or bad but when it is he died while they were holding him and they wouldn't let him have as witnesses they wouldn't let him testify so it's a total and complete kangaroo court it's a joke and it's a tool of basically the anglo-american e.u. stablish meant to go in and persecute countries it's western backed rebels that have been overthrowing these countries are trying to in syria and overthrowing egypt with the ol

between the alpine republic and libya for a long time on july the fifth swiss police detained runnable khadafi and his pregnant wife and i believe charged with assaulting internal terms of policemen for him to come down to the lobby. he didn't want to come so they waited for some time and then they decided to go into the went. in this situation. and arrested. this was newspaper tribune the geneve printed pictures of both gadhafi jr under arrest and the hotel attendants that were attacked a little found a lawsuit against the newspaper yet the biggest consequence of the incident for switzerland was libya's boycott of economic cooperation assume this crisis broke out between. libya that the leading authorities have withdrew with grown. apart at least or even important part of the money towards the positive the swiss banks khadafi and switzerland had a political problem they fell out with each other so there's only five hundred million only in inverted commas five hundred million left in switzerland marc pitt professor at basel university has long been tracking money laundering methods in his view

hussein and previously as a cover and pretext saddam was their man in baghdad for twenty seven years khadafi had worked hand in glove with the cia and with congolese arise in the ninety's saw a. but they demonize him now to give them cover or engender out of season the oil subjugating the population the population does not benefit from their natural resources because they had to disposal of foreign corporations on behalf of the united states and the western powers the resources go outward to the foreign corporations that control them the population is a missing rated countries with great wealth but they don't enjoy the benefit of it because of the class character of the regime and the nature of imperial power that controls and installs these regimes and maintains. israel's long established sanity agreement was it could soon go up in flames the original gas deal was set up by president mubarak but now post revolution cairo is demanding that the terms are renegotiated and as he's publicly reports israel's options are fast running out. israel cannot be choosy in picking its energy resources it

be but one thing is definitely clear that this mission will not be easy first of all because the khadafi is regime that gadhafi is government has repeatedly strongly reject of the possibility of the colonel gadhafi standing down while this is the major demand of the rivals and without that without driving khadafi from away from power they will say they will not stop fighting the russian peace mediator is here in libya today to try to at least persuade the two sides to start talking and that will. eventually lead to this the end of. for that purpose michaela is expected to meet with the opposition leaders in the. rubble had in benghazi he was also expected first to visit the capital tripoli as well but now many say that's unlikely to happen for both political and security reasons. we have been able to speak to people from the russian embassy here in tripoli and they say that they have aides unlikely to get the mission to come to tripoli event. that comes after following president but latest statement about it southey when. following the g eight meeting in france has. has lost its legitima

companies whose stocks plunged shortly thereafter but in any case clearly they saw a goldmine in khadafi when the fund controlled by colonel qadhafi nearly empty goldman ponied up all first to recruit losses according to the journal libya would get five billion dollars worth of goldman shares in return for making. seven billion dollar investment in the securities firm libya agreed to buy the banks debt with the promise of a lucrative annual six percent return for twenty years maybe knew it was about to hit into a nosedive and there they were selling them selling these libyans a piece of junk which was themselves libyan sovereign wealth fund officials are reportedly accusing goldman of misrepresenting investment deals and making trades without proper authorization but others proudly admit playing fast and loose with his money american real estate and reality show tycoon donald trump boasts that he lied to n.b.c. the libyan leader in the past i read a piece of land he paid me well for one night it can be used everywhere to israel and old europe for two years i don't get a lot of news the w

hussein in previously as a cover and pretexts saddam was their man in baghdad for twenty seven years khadafi had worked hand in glove with the cia and we've connelly's the rise of the ninety s. own but they demonize him now to give them cover for gender seize the oil subjugating the population the population does not benefit from their natural resources because they're at the disposal of foreign corporations on behalf of the united states and the western powers and resources go out into foreign corporations that control them the population is in this aerated that countries need great wealth but they don't enjoy the benefit of it because of the class character of the regime and the nature of imperial power that controls and installs these regimes and maintains them. and still to come in the program as another fuel feud brewing in the middle east about how egypt's revolution looks set to trigger by gas shortage in israel. u.s. officers are investigating the disappearance of nearly seven billion dollars some by washington to fund the reconstruction of iraq the cash was flown in off of the toppl

libya's port city of misrata where rebels using heavy artillery have stepped up their bombardment of khadafi troops pro-government forces responded with heavy shelling killing at least six winning sixteen others the fighting comes amid insurgents' fresh attempts to retake another major oil port and earlier a battle in the port left thirty dead and shut down a key supplier to tunisia and even while in the capital tripoli colonel gadhafi over a chest. with the president the world chess federation declared he has no intention of stepping down as arjun is maria emotional reports it's the ordinary people caught in the middle of. saddam has been within a hair's breadth of death but doctors have performed any a miracle and the young girl is back home with her family she took her mother's pills to kill herself. if someone wants to kill me and myself. but who wants to kill the teenager summers native city tripoli has been under constant bombardment by nato forces for three months day and night almost have been falling on the city with a population of around a million and no one can ever say when or w

host and author stephen leatherman the person most interested interested in ending the conflict is khadafi himself. job he never wanted conflict in the first place he did mean. you responded to it when washington and nato will. be responding because of course he wants it is if you want the cease fire he doesn't want any of this to go war on the west. he wants to do this these are the ones that need a conflict washington and nato testily do not want to add to your independent of the service on the ground including for us congresswoman green party presidential candidate he says. and maybe what i mean to tease chileans mass casualties mess destruction the you will use media to see miss neves out of. the recording probably again don't mention the hiding the truth. on our website r.t. dot com we want to know what you think libya's deadlock can be resolved so far nearly two thirds think nato should withdraw fifteen percent say things should continue as they are until the conflict eventually ends eleven percent think only ground forces will resolve the situation the same outfield the you when sho

and this conflict should only be resolved through peaceful means all nato allies are in agreement khadafi must go but the scene is. real simply about how to do that the alliances secretary general rasmussen and the u.s. defense secretary robert gates are demanding more participation more how from certain members because the reality is that the only age out of twenty eight nations members have joined the air raids been well the country which is not in nato sweetness preferring to send its marines to enforce. weapons and cargo and has agreed to extend its presence in this operation in fact the latest murmurs of discontent coming from the rubbles they. want to be sure as they say that they. stayed out of the political process in the case in a national issue so we can see that later has intensified sematic really is the efforts here in libya wow this campaign this how operation against gadhafi is getting more and more in popular demand all the sides been involved. reggie's maria from notional reporting there from the libyan capital still ahead for you this hour a trip high into the mountain f

that will require some negotiation there's been some moves forward some moves backward it appears khadafi is dug in tripoli and he does not want to leave but clearly the way out from this conflict is for gadhafi to leave power and to remove himself the problem of course is that with the i.c.c. indictment now makes it a little bit more difficult for gadhafi to go this doesn't make it easier to negotiate his departure unless he goes to a country where the i.c.c. will not get him. israel says an international aid flotilla headed to gaza is carrying chemical weapons which could be used on soldiers israeli defense force has been ordered to prevent the ten trips from making it to the palestinian territories the jewish state warned it will. reach its blockade of gaza but has been drawn threats to ban any journalists traveling with a food policy and peace activists as is also says the aim of the full kill is to raise awareness about the blockade. claiming that there is chemical weapons on those ships well in case of invading those ships which is what the israeli army is planning to do and having