of the hacking of the device of khadija.ny is selling that kind of cyber weapons to countries with a bad track record in terms of human rights abuses. paul lewis, of the guardian, if i can bring you in here. there are 17 news outlets partnering on this. how'd the guardian come to be one of them? we were invited into this project by laurent at forbidden stories. he contacted us. we had to be very careful when we were reporting this about conversing on phones, as you can imagine, because phones are obviously at risk and indeed some of the reporters who worked on this project, forensics showed that they had pegasus, this spyware, on their phones. anyhow, laurent contacted us here at the guardian and said he would like to invite us into a project. i visited, with a delegation from the guardian, his offices in paris. he showed us this data and we were stunned. there were 50,000 numbers of people who had been selected as persons of interest by client governments of n50. we had never seen anything like this before and it was obviou

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