has a vivid memory of khalid sheikh mohammed. very organized man. he teaches in a suit. he was professor of the year last year and interesting, devoted man, leading a careful life that's affecting hundreds of students a year. >> what's he remember from khalid sheikh mohammed? >> he remembers him as a good student who had very poor english. he never had any political discussions with him or religious debates, for that matter. it was -- but he remembers him as someone with a very orderly mind and unfortunately, an orderly mind can be put to good or evil and in this kiss, it was put to evil. >> how big is he? >> he's about 5'4" and i don't know what his current weight is but he gets double meals at guantanamo so i'm assuming he's in the 200-pound range. >> when you went to chowan, what else did you do while you were there? did you find anybody else that had heard of him? >> it was hard. i went through the school library and went through the year books. he was invisible in the yearbooks. i talked to other professors, i talked to dean

-- khalid sheikh mohammed? >> if you believe the geneva convention applied to people who were part of organizations that are not signatories to the geneva convention, then opening of a prisoner to public visits is a violation of geneva. you cannot treat people who are being held in combat, prisoners of war, has channels and a zoo. -- as animals in a zoo. very clearly in geneva. there was this sort of lingering legal concern. also, it is a secure place. a lot of the layout and who is involved is classified. you can see why the u.s. government would consider it so sensitive. >> on your cover, it says author of "losing been lavin, the -- bin laden, the shuttle were." -- war." one was that written? when was that written? >> there are a lot of secrets that died with osama bin laden -- sleeper cells, but governments are supplying al qaeda with money, why, and one -- what of the names of the officials? what are the plots that are pending? all of that information was in his head. that would have been valuable. we could

. >> could we use the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed that we did against osama bin laden. would that have beenawful? >> could we have? >> used the same tactics against khalid sheikmommed when we captured him in pakistan as we did against osama bin laden. that is killed him rather than captured him? >> well, the aim with regard to bin laden was to kill or capture him. i would think that with regard to khalid sheikh mohammed, we could probably apply those same standards. we have the ability there. >> does it seem some ways inconsistent or difficulty for more relevance to say that it is per se so shocking to the conscience that one would subject khalid sheikh mohammed to waterboarding, but it would not shock the consciee to put a buet in his brain? >> one has to take into account a variety of things. and when you're on the scene, you want to get the person you're trying to capture. but you also have to make sure you're protecting the lives of the people who are on our side and who put themselves at risk. and it is for that reason that there's a safety component there. and th

khalid sheikh mohammed is captured in -- early 2003 in pakistan. and is waterboarded in 2003, 183 times according to the cia reports that have since been released on that. they didn't learn -- the cia did not learn the identity of the courier until 2007, we're being told. so four years after the waterboarding of ksm they figure out the real identity of this courier and then they are able to follow the trail that leads to bin laden. so that is a somewhat different narrative than that being pushed by those who are suggesting waterboarding or enhanced interrogation techniques was the key to breaking this case. >> michael, thank you so much for the reporting you've done on that topic. my big question today, lots of debate over whether the u.s. government should make public the pictures and the video of the killing or burial of osama bin laden. i'd like to hear your thoughts on this. you can reach me on facebook, on twi twitter. we're having a lively conference about that. and senator bob casey is a member of the senate's foreign relations committee. se

he served his time and there was wonderful reporting on and khalid unfortunately depending on how you look at this, he was let 12 and ice did the deportation i tell you this simply because there is no doubt in my mind khalid in new more about this case did he ever admitted and i think it is highly probable he was involved to some degree in the target selection of washington whether or not to he was here the night colonel alon was murdered i have nothing to indicate that he was. i only wish i could ask a few questions and i hope that adam we'll find him out and we could go talked to him. >> 1999 you leave the state department if by a apologize i have not cynosure book debt but only after that time you start to work on the case. can you talk about how not only became aware of the dedication to start investigating this in your new life as vice president? what is your story in terms of connection with this case how you became acquainted and started to pursue it? >> i had a tremendous amount of regret and killed two not do more in the 80s or 90s when we could have when these people were al

it was during the interrogation of khalid shaikh mohammed through water boarding that this of khalid sheikh mohammed through waterboarding that this >> but others dismiss the idea that bin laden's whereabouts could be traced took torture. >> to the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices. >> so which is it? democratic senator jack reed of rhode island is a member of the armed services committee. thank you, senator reed, for joining us. >> thank you, chris. >> what is your take on this? did torture work did we need it or what? >> torture is not only illegal, but it leads to inaccurate information. if you talk to professionals, the men and women who are trained interrogators they understand it takes a long process. it takes an understanding of the psychological sort of strengths and weaknesses not gained by torture but gained by discussion, observation. it takes a long time it and then that information has to be corroborated it has to be checked against other information. so, no torture is not the magic silver bullet if it wa

however, as i understand the narrative here, this is not a case where khalid sheikh mohammed spilled his guts even years after being water boarded but said, no, this isn't your guy and it was that, they said, there is something fishy about that. they knew that the courier was important when ksm said look somewhere else, that's how they knew they were on to something. >> feels like an odd straw man when that really is not what this conversation is about any way. >> let's move on. the u.s. has said it will investigate whether pakistani authorities ignored bin laden's presence or helped him hide from intelligence. >> clearly they provided assistance between bin laden and his operatives. whether or not those individuals inside the pakistani government is unknown at this point. >> we're joined from abbottabad pakistan with a first-hand look. >> reporter: chuck, this is a military town. the military is everywhere here. we've been driving around and there is extra security today. we're seeing checkpoint after checkpoint. just a mile down that road is a full military academy, the elite milit

let's go on. >> khalid shaikh mohammed may have been water boarded, i don't think that was unjust. bin laden was killed. i don't think that was unjust. i'm not sure you disagree with me on that. >> thanks, cliff, may, for coming on. >>> we had a poll yesterday showing more republicans say former president bush deer is was more credit for getting bin laden than bin laden does that's republicans saying give more credit to the former president but no matter how hard the right tries they are not going to take this one away, obviously, from the current president. that is ahead. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] can a cup of coffee fill an entire community with joy? maxwell house believes so. that's why we've partnered with rebuilding together to help revitalize communities in need. vote for your community at maxwellhouse.com. of course not. we broke up 6 months ago. but i don't think she'd go for a guy like -- [ ping! ] she says she'd love to. [ ping! ] she can't wait to see me. [ ping! ] she's wanted me to ask her out for over a year now! [ ping! ] she just

shaikh khalid sheikh mohammed, and abu farah al libbi. that is very clear. but you say it could have done it another way, maybe, but wasn't done another way in this particular instance. >> fair enough. i don't know where i stand -- i don't like waterboarding, i tell you who does bush well, some people do, but the freezing of the guy the freezing of him to the point where he is in the hospital a couple of times, i don't think geneva would accept that, do you do you think that is consistent with the geneva conventions, freezing somebody to the point where they go to the hospital a couple of time? >> here is what i think, chris and i think you may agree with me, what you should have is strict sets of procedures you can use if you need to in high-value case, some cases, on only the president should be able to sign off and say, o., you can do this. >> no matter what always. >> i love the idea that the president has to do it, he is commander in chief and also defend us ultimately, the trouble is trying to get these guys put their signature on a

one was khalid sheikh mohammed.ubjected to the most extreme waterboarding and interrogations of all detainees in u.s. custody. you when they was asking about this kuwaiti courier, he played down his significance he described him as retired, he dismissed him as being relevant. now, why that's important is that we now eventually the cia was able to p concluded, he was a protege of ksm. they were extremely close. some u.s. intelligence officials even thought they were related, though that doesn't seem to have been the case, but they were -- had worked together for years. so when khalid sheikh mohammed after waterboarding dismisses abu ahmed and described him as retired, he's misleading the cia, throwing them off the trail, although he talked about a lot of things, and there's been a considerable debate about how valuable that intelligence ultimately was the one most valuable pieces of information he contained, the courier who could have lead him to bid laden, he threw the cia off. i have one former fbi official tells m

eventually gets run past khalid shaikh mohammed as an example, one of our detainees, high value and he blanks on it, i don't know the name. and now you start to think, as libya, another high value. and maybe you have something of importance. and when it was thrown out at ksm it wasn't that the courier was that important. 2003, that's when we're working around this alias name. and it wasn't until 2007 that we were able to get the real name of the individual and then it took two more years, 2009, until we had a general region where we felt that this existed. the keys this were putting together this is an eight year process, it wasn't eight days. the it wasn't a week or so ago, somebody in the cia said, hey, i think i found bin laden's compound. >> it took all of that time. in 2009 a general regional location. it wasn't until august of 2010 when we finally identified the compound and so, the amount of work, the investigative, intelligence processes, the sources around the world and you're trying to zero in just to get a hold of had an individual and then that individual willed us to the c

>> we are at war with usama bin laden. >> chris: we're at war with khalid sheikh mohammed. >> it was a military operation, right? it was absolutely appropriate for the seals to take the action, force it to take the action they took in this military operation. >> chris: but why is it inappropriate to get information from khalid sheikh mohammed? >> i didn't say it was inappropriate to get information from khalid sheikh mohammed. >> chris: you said it was against our values. >> i think the technique there has been a policy debate and the administration made our views known on that. >> chris: let me ask you about one aspect of this and we'll move on. the obama justtition department -- obama justice department reopened investigation of half dozen people who were involved after 9/11. this has been a closed investigation. it was reopened by your justice department on the issue of whether or not they were using undue force. we talked earlier with vice president cheney who says that investigation is an outrage. question: with interrogation, and you certainly have agreed, however it came. with

the lie of khalid shaikh mohammed, the lie of al libbi.en lying about this courier made them understand that, in fact, the courier was actually important because they knew from other sources that the courier had been a protÉge of k.s.m. and he made believe he didn't know who he was. so bingo, right? then they had to go about finding him. >> reporter: investigators established the courier's name and begin to monitor his family's phone calls and e-mails. >> once they established one cell phone call then it was a question of making inquiries at the ground level, listening out for further calls. they were beginning to close in on him at this stage. what we believe happened is that al kuwaiti was tracked to a particular vehicle and once they found that vehicle perhaps in the environs of peshawar it was waiting to see where he went. >> last august, august 2010, they finally had the courier lead them to the compound. my source said to me -- one of my sources said to me, when we got a picture of that compound we said, wow, this is different. >> re

immediately you heard commentators and elected officials saying it was the waterboarding of khalid sheik mohammed that led to osama bin laden's compound. is this open to challenge? >> very much open to challenge. eventually, this week, a lot of intelligence people confirmed that khalid sheik mohammed did not confirm there was any sort of courier dated not know this guy, and al-libi did not give them anything, the other waterboarded person. so now they said that because they did not confirm it, they knew was right. >> i keep reading these articles and it is the sort of a theoretical, religious debate. if you believe in torture it worked. if you do not believe in torture, it didn't work. the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between -- >> but if this was a ticking time bomb which is why we had to torture people, it took eight years to have enough to have an operation. >> i just come back to the argument made by every military person i know of any stature was significant, who argue arden and passionately against waterboarding an extraordinary whenever you want to call it -- torture, simply b

eventually, this week, a lot of intelligence people confirmed that khalid sheik mohammed did not confirm that there was any sort of courier, we did not know this guy, and al-libi did not give them anything -- he was the other water boarded%. now they say that because they did not confirm, we know it was right. >> i keep reading these articles, and is become a theoretical, religious debate. if you believe in torture, it worked. if you do not, it did not work. the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between -- >> but if this was a ticking time bomb, which is why we had to torture people, it took eight years to finally find out enough to actually have an operation. >> i just come back to the argument made by every military person i know of any stature or significance, who argues passionately against waterboarding an extraordinary whatever you want to call it -- torture, simply because not only the information age yields of not being reliable, but also the consequences for american troops in the field. your question about why no leak -- the best my reporting has come up with is that 16 members

well, khalid shaikh mohammed wouldn't have been captured without help from the pakistanis.ack to a historic relationship, the pakistani role has been very significant. >> it's interesting. let's try to figure this out. the united states goes into a country that is not our country. it's their country. yet we're able to track somebody within their country. that they can't track. how's that work? >> well, it works because you have a country like pakistan where everyone is not sharing the information across all levels. number one. number two, we have possession of information and capablabili s capabilitieses they don't. the statement pakistan released is factually accurate but doesn't tell the whole story. their government is schizophrenic and has been for years when it comes to the issue of al qaeda. they' this is a classic example of we the united states believing if we shared information we run the risk of blows the operation. speaks to how confident the president was in doing this operation, chris, but also how risky. he was willing to blow up our relationship with pakistan

almost immediately we heard commentators and elected officials say that it was waterboarding of khalid sheik mohammed that ultimately got them to seal team 6 and the compound. is this open to challenge? >> very much open to challenge. this week there was a lot of intelligence people who confirmed that khalid sheik mohammed did not confirm there was any sort of courier. al-libi, the other person, did not give them anything -- he was the other water boarded person. now they say that because they did not confirm it, it was probably right. >> i keep reading these articles and it has become this theoretical, religious debate. if you believe in torture, it worked. if you don't, it didn't work. the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. >> if this was a ticking time bomb, which is why we had to torture people, it took them years to find enough to have an operation. >> i just come back to the argument made by every military person i know of any stature or significance who argues item and passionately against waterboarding and extraordinary whenever you want to call it -- torture, simply bec

. >> ksm, khalid shaikh mohammed, was he the mastermind of 9/11?what's the role and connection between the mastermind -- ksm was the ops planner. he figured it out, get some planes, run them into the world trade center -- >> he also had been in the united states so he understood how it worked. >> who came up with the idea of using airplanes? >> they've been looking at that since the mid '90s, the blind sheikh they were going to crash one into the pentagon in '95. >> what do you worry about now? >> i wo worry about they small groups attacking airplanes. it's just as bad, just as dangerous. >> what goes on at the tsa? i travel maybe a couple times a week, that stuff is important, they would like to get on a plane and blow it up? >> even if they don't stop the terrorists, a lot of what they do discourages, but they have to be careful, can't get too far over into the crazy things. >> senator, i respect so much to your service to the country as a s.e.a.l. you must have been thinking, having been through one of these kinds of operations, me your perspect

he has failed to keep his promise about trying to khalid shaikh mohammed and the other architects ofin new york on trial. it is clear he has gone back to the guidelines in the army field manual. we don't torture. he says we don't have black sites. let's give him credit for the things he's done right. i agree with you this is a moment to say push harder, push harder on the things he hasn't been able to fulfill. one of them is guantanamo, someone secret trials, one of them is military commissions in lieu of real trials, those are the place we was to push hard. i agree with you this is the moment to pivot this is the moment to say, as a symbolic matter, wart on terror ended this weekend, let's go back to america the way america was. let's go become to the america that the rest of the world looked to as a beacon of the rule of law. >> dalia, you are absolutely right. give him credit on stopping torture, else to add to the list, indefinite detentions, warrantless wire tank with he have got turn all that around, a big slate of to-do list sfwhuts perfect time to do that so, thank you for jo

one of the interesting things here is that they went to khalid shaikh mohammed and al libby, ka leeldhake mohammad had been water boarded 183 times. >> they asked him what he knows about the courier. >> and khalid shaikh mohammed was completely dismissive, completely dismissive of who this person wud was and said, not important. and it was the lie, as my source said, that was alerting. the lie of khalid shaikh mohammed the lie of al libby, those two men lying about this courier made them understand that, in fact, the courier was actually important because they knew from other sources that the courier had been a protege of ksm. and he made it believe he didn't know who it was. so bingo, right? so then they had to go about finding him. >> reporter: investigators established the courier's name and begin to monitor his family's phone calls and e-mails. >> once they have established one cell phone call, then it was a question of making inquiries at the ground level, listening for any further calls. they were beginning to close in on him at this stage. what we believe happened is that abu a

couriers sent by osama bin laden, they got information from detainees held at gone bow including khalid sheik mohammed and another man who is at gitmo and the interrogations revealed there were two couriers, two trusted couriers. they only had the nickname of the two courier brothers, and four years ago they figured out the identity of one courier. the c.i.a. intelligence honed in on one area of pakistan and figured out it was in this area and they looked at the compounds there and this drew their attention because it was three stories high, eight times the size of any other compound and odd the way it was developed, no windows, the residents burned their trash unlike other people in the area, no telephone lanes or internet lines into the compound and they watched this compound. in august they certainly had an indication this is where they thought osama bin laden was and they watched it more carefully and since the middle of march they have had five national security meetings developing the intelligence and the president said he ordered the operation open friday and it took place today.

this notion that khalid sheikh mohammed gave us a critical piece, first of all, it came a year after he was waterboarded. it wasn't those techniques that got that information. what he gave us was a nickname of a courier that bin laden used. if you understand the way al qaeda indicates they often use nicknames to indicate positions not people. it's the equivalent of saying something there's a loggy as a something there's a loggy as a logistician in the united states army. that information is not particularly useful when you're trying to locate something to get their real name and location and follow them to your target. >> here's what makes no sense to me, the administration that says as rumsfeld did just then, we got enormous amounts of valuable intelligence from waterboarding. that is the same administration that ends waterboarding. this thing that's enormously valuable, they say, you know what, it's enormously valuable but we're not going to do it anymore because we don't need it. why would you ever stop doing it if it was enormously valuable. >> the reason why is because of the lo

but there's about 20 people there, the worst of the worst is khalid sheikh mohammed. but i think our men and women in uniform have been really disparaged unfairly. and these are quality people who have handled a tough job with great professionalism and restraint. are you familiar with the term a gitmo cocktail? >> a gitmo cocktail? >> yeah. >> i think i know what it is. >> and it is what you think it is. it's pretty horrific things that get thrown by prisoners at our guards and even under those circumstances, there's an awful lot of restraint. i know this is one thing where i agree with the administration now where they've changed their opinion about closing down gitmo and bringing those people back here to the united states. there's absolutely -- that was a terrible idea, sir, to bring them to the united states, try them here. to have the anti-american vile mind set spread among the prisoners in our federal prisons. and that's where they ought to be tried. we shouldn't give people -- can i have 30 seconds, mr. chairman? >> the gentleman is recognized for an additiona

i was privy to the information from khalid sheik mohammed at the time. i'm not aware of any information or intelligence that was a product from water boarding. >> fbi agents that knew the most about these people before 9/11 refused to participate in anything involving water boarding. at a certain point that left them out of the process and it left the less experienced interrogators who were less informed than the fbi agents in the process. isn't that the way? >> not necessarily that sequence. there were teams of interrogators down at guantanamo bay. there was a criminal task force. which i was a deputy commander and special agent of federal agents. the fbi was there and the agents worked very closely together. on the other side were military intelligence interrogators at gitmo. the interdpators from the federal agencies who were deeply experienced in counterterrorism matters were still in there doing interrogations just refused to participate or condone or be involved in any manner with anything that was tantamount to what we believe to be torture and il

khalid shaikh mohammed claimed they'd never heard of the courier. the associated press reporting khalid shaikh mohammed confirmed knowing the courier but denied he had anything to do with al qaeda. "the washington post" reporting that other detainees pointed cia interrogators to a courier. clearly we do not have the definitive account of whether the information came from that led to osama bin laden. but we will get to the bottom of what we do know next with a very important source. with malcolm nance the chief of training at the navy's survival evasion, resistance and escape school. he testified in front of congress about how u.s. interrogators ended up water boarding and why. please stay tuned for that. >>> can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after bin laden? >> you know, brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information. and that was true here. we had a multibillion source, a multiable series of sources that provided information with regards to this

but there's about 20 people there, the worst of the worst is khalid sheikh mohammed. but i think our men and women in uniform have been really disparaged unfairly. and these are quality people who have handled a tough job with great professionalism and restraint. are you familiar with the term a gitmo cocktail? >> a gitmo cocktail? >> yeah. >> i think i know what it is. >> and it is what you think it is. it's pretty horrific things that get thrown by prisoners at our guards and even under those circumstances, there's an awful lot of restraint. i know this is one thing where i agree with the administration now where they've changed their opinion about closing down gitmo and bringing those people back here to the united states. there's absolutely -- that was a terrible idea, sir, to bring them to the united states, try them here. to have the anti-american vile mind set spread among the prisoners in our federal prisons. and that's where they ought to be tried. we shouldn't give people -- can i have 30 seconds, mr. chairman? >> the gentleman is recognized for an additiona

the trail did not begin with the disclosure of khalid sheikh muhammed who was waterboarded 183 times. we did not learn from muhammed the real name of bin laden's career or his alias, al-kuwaiti, the man who first allowed us to find bin laden. the man who mentioned al-kuwaiti as an important member of al qaeda came from a detainee in another country. the united states did not conduct this detainee's interrogation, nor did we render into that country for the purpose of interrogation. we did not american his real name as a result of waterboarding or any enhanced interrogation technique used on a detainee in u.s. custody. none of the three detainees who were waterboarded gave his real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al qaeda. in fact, not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on khalid sheikh muhammed did not provide us with key leads on bin laden's currier, abu akman. it actually produced false and misleading information. khalid sheikh muhammed specifically told his interrogators that abu akman had moved to pashawar, got married and ceased

they start asking questions about couriers, and they are getting some information from khalid shaikhammed, but then they come up to a courier whose nickname they knew. and they asked khalid sheikh mohammed and another detainee who was a messenger, himself, for bin laden, do you know this guy? h and they say, no, no, no he is not important, no big deal. meanti meantime their own intelligence work shows that he was a protege of ksm, so ksm knew exactly who he was and how important he was and in lying to the cia, it gave them a clue that, gee, this courier might be important. but they still didn't have his name, brooke. they only had a nickname to go on, so then they had to kind of track him down. >> well, it is fascinating what the interrogation folks do, and l listen for the key phrases and names, and what they don't hear which is key in this case. and there was mounting evidence that they didn't have a visual on osama bin laden at this particular compound and in your article you cite from the source that they had 60 to 80% that bin laden was actually in there. >> exactly. they really

cleveland shake khalid shaikh mohammed claimed they'd never heard of the courier. the associated press reporting khalid shaikh mohammed confirmed knowing the courier but denied he had anything to do with al qaeda. "the washington post" reporting that other detainees pointed cia interrogators to a courier. clearly we do not have the definitive account of whether the information came from that led to osama bin laden. but we will get to the bottom of what we do know next with a very important source. with malcolm nance the chief of training at the navy's survival evasion, resistance and escape school. he testified in front of congress about how u.s. interrogators ended up water boarding and why. please stay tuned for that. [ woman ] we take it a day at a time. that's how it is with alzheimer's disease. she needs help from me. and her medication. the exelon patch -- it releases medication continuously for twenty-four hours. she uses one exelon patch daily for the treatment of mild to moderate alzheimer's symptoms. [ female announcer ] it cannot change the course of the

the cia said that they had water boarded three people and khalid sheikh mohammed was the one that was water boarded the most extensively. host: you wrote about the memorandums about the interrogation practices from the bush administration. here is the op-ed page from " washington journal -- from "the wall street journal." what does this mean for the future of guantanamo bay? guest: i am not sure that the death of osama bin laden has an effect one way or the other on the future of guantanamo. we got some classified documents that we spent a couple of weeks looking at and wrote a series of stories on. what they made clear is that this prison, which was set up in a hurry in 2002, after 9/11, they looked for a place of sort of put these people. i think that no one really expected to be going on with it this long. now that they have 72 people left there, there is very little chance of getting rid of the evidence, so it has become a permanent part of the american approach to terrorism. host: what has happened to the others that were there? guest out as many as 800 people have passed through

was a surrogate for khalid sheikh muhammad but the vast treasure probe if you will of the culture it was a good program it was a legal program it's not torture so he's basically saying that the united states should keep using methods like waterboarding to get information we're going to explore what some called enhanced interrogation techniques and what others call torture. you really want to go out and we stayed there for the really that's not democracy that the iraqi people are ready for american troops to permanently have new why is it that the united states insists and overstayed his welcome. welcome back it's tuesday may tenth i'm lucy catherine of good reporting here from washington d.c. and of course you're watching our t.v. now the obama administration has paid a lot of lip service to the importance of democracy especially when it comes to some of the uprisings that we've seen in the middle east but as our. reports the united states is willing to support self-determination abroad as long as a doesn't get away with strategic goals it will. she is the country clothed in stars an

for the staircase of khalid sheikh muhammad but if that's true for proof if you will of intelligence it was a good program it was a legal program it's not torture so is he saying the u.s. should keep using methods like waterboarding to get information we're going to explore what some call enhanced interrogation techniques and others call torture. good evening it's tuesday may tenth four pm here in washington d.c. lucy catherine of you watching our team. now immigration and bin laden's death may be dominating news headlines but with less than one week left until the u.s. runs up against those fourteen point three trillion dollar debt limit we decided to begin our newscast this evening with a look at america's financial health the u.s. economic performance does seem to be in freefall as public debt and deficits continue to soar the middle class is more at risk than ever meanwhile the list exclusions from washington are frankly nowhere to be seen now it's difficult to overstate just how serious the u.s. debt issue is but sometimes it does take a little bit of a fresh perspective to real

characterization khalid sheikh muhammad. the basque crucial probe if you will of intelligence program it was a legal program not torture and there we go the former vice president saying that the united states should keep on using methods like waterboarding to get information we're going to explore what some call and enhanced interrogation techniques and others call torture. he didn't want to. hear for the release. of the iraqi people are ready for american troops to go home why does the united states insist on overseeing its bottom. immigration and been logons death may be dominating news headlines but with less than one week left until the u.s. runs up against its fourteen point three trillion dollars debt limit we decided to begin our newscast this evening with a look at america's financial health now u.s. economic performance does seem to be in freefall as public debt. deficits computer soar and little class is more at risk than ever meanwhile realistic solutions from washington are frankly nowhere to be seen now it's dif

who respond all three are are dead including his son khalid.it was overwhelmed have already entered the main building housing the family which lived comfortably on the second and third floor. this compound 8 times larger than any other home in the area. it is from here the terror mastermind directed al qaeda prepared for tauntzing videos by dying his beards and watched himself on television as he captured images reverevealed. other images just released show the fury of the final assault the steel bypassing the frik wall then locating their target after 9 years 7 months and 21 days. the world trade center killer is in the programs sers of american justice. >> this was all split second action on the past of the seals. but they wall behind minute laud traditional lealease. the equivalent of $750 in cash with him. not enough money due perhaps juf to make a ride. >> we treat him he could be a sludge he knew his business very well. >> in these final moments it confused bin laden pushes his wife or voluntarily charges in her attacker. he washed the u.