that sun is khalid shaikh mohammed. and they ultimately he applies to school in north carolina and schumann university at the time. historically baptist school in north carolina. either the family has save some money or more likely the muslim brotherhood of kuwait has agreed to sponsor him. he joined the muslim brotherhood after two of his older brothers joined. so he arrived in america at roughly 18 years old and he is unprepared for what he sees. i interviewed the man who picked him up at the airport in virginia beach, and what he remembers years later, the memory he remembers his khalid shaikh mohammed being surprised by what he saw, surprised by the geography, the intense greenery. when you see trees in kuwait they're usually behind walls. here their trees everywhere. more surprising and more strange and more off-putting than the trees were the people and what they were doing. they were sitting in for lawn chairs on their front lawn visible from the road. they were growing out, playing with their kids, taking a hose

and that sunday is khalid shaikh. and they sent, the ultimate, he applies to school in north carolina. and historically baptist school in murphysboro north carolina. either the family has saved money or more likely the muslim brotherhood of kuwait has agreed to sponsor them. he joined the muslim brotherhood after two of his older brothers had joined. at age 16. so he arrives in america at roughly 18 years old, and his unprepared for what he sees. i envy the man who picked them up in the airport, outside of virginia beach. and what he remembers, years later, the minute he remembers is khalid shaikh being surprised about what he saw. he is surprised by the geography, the intense green. when you see trees in kuwait they're usually behind walls. here at the registries ever. more surprising, more strange and more offputting than the trees with people and what they were doing. they were sitting in lawn chairs on the front lawn, visible from the road. they were going out, playing with the kids, taking a host to the bushes ou

we knew khalid shaikh mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11 in april of 2002, before the contractors even set a foot in the undisclosed location of where we were. so just to basically read later that people are claiming it was waterboarding that produced the information that led us to identify khalid shaikh mohammed as the mastermind is totally wrong. and unfortunately the same thing with the alleged dirty bomber, though i believe he's a brain surgery away from being a dirty bomber, but that's a digit story. they claimed it was waterboarding that caused zubaydah, and you can see that clearly in the steven bradbury memo. they claimed it's waterboarding that produced information that led us to it. waterboarding did not start until august of 2002. a couple weeks before. still, july/august of 2002. mr. padilla was in custody after an international manhunt in may of 2002. so unless you have a time machine, you're having a problem, you know, with keeping the timeline straight. >> and when the enhanced interrogation techniques and waterboarding for happening to zubaydah, you called fbi headquart

be released and it has been released and points to the great success we had, especially on ca khalid shaikhed interrogation techniques and both water-boarded and both caseses produced significant results. >> joe biden? >> wrong. he hasn't checked the record. if i must say, all due regard for my friend, joe biden, senators, on the foreign relations committee, aren't ordinarily involved in those matters anyway. >> your constant test after 9/11, i read in your interviews, and other interviews you did, you make it again in your book, maybe you didn't like everything we did, in seven years after 9/11 when george w. bush and dick cheney left office, america was not attacked, therefore in your view your policy is successful. cannot president obama make the same thing and say i passed the cheney test? >> certainly, it's an argument he can make. i think he also has to say and i don't believe i ever heard him say this, this has been a continuous process that started back after 9/11 and ran through the 7 1/2 years of the bush administration and then continued on into the obama administration, the bott

the reason we care is the planes were flying prisoners, including, we believe, khalid shaikh mohammed- >> bill: tortured by dick cheney. >> pursuant -- >> bill: you don't believe water board something torture, though? >> you're way off the reservation. anyway, so the point is -- >> bill: i'm not off the reservation. >> no, no one cares about what i think whether torture and water boarding are the same. the point here is that the c.i.a. has kept this program pretty under wraps. they don't want details of this program coming out. whenever it cops up in litigation, they step in and -- >> bill: let me -- >> they say nobody can talk about it. >> bill: the federal government pays money to an airline broker, who then to move bad guys president obama poland and egypt and all around the world where they're interrogated, sometimes harshly. the middle man doesn't pay his bills. doesn't pay the guys who flew -- >> the broker allegedly. >> bill: the broker is now suing and they're trying to get into where they went and why they went there. the c.i.a. doesn't want it? >> no. the c.i.a. didn't conve

financing that occurred in that case, the coordination, command and control by bin laden himself and khalid shaikh mohammed, that it would be very difficult to launch that type of attack on that scale as 9/11. but at this point, it doesn't have to be that large of an attack. a couple of individuals with handguns, explosives, assault rifles, vehicles carrying any number of incendiary or explosive devices could do a great deal of damage without having the sophistication or planning required for 9/11. >> that's precisely the point that president obama made to me when i interviewed him a few weeks ago in iowa and i asked him about the concern around the tenth anniversary of 9/11. he suggested that authorities were especially concerned about that so-called lone wolf terrorist out there, along the lines of what happens in norway, who could kill a whole lot of people, go after soft targets and cause quite a panic. that lone wolf scenario is very concerning to the fbi, isn't it? >> it's very concerning and it may not just be an individual lone wolf but a handful of people. recall the mumbai attack in nove