here in the studio is well lead modibo founder and president of sudan policy forum in hardtail khalid shaikh a social activist and business owner in sudan he's also been at the ongoing protests. and in kiel i will a senior lecturer a kill university and an expert in international law i'd like to begin cartoon with khalid shaikh the army seems to be very definite they say that the protest movement has been infiltrated they are calling them in full traitors and that's why they opened fire on the protesters on monday night you've been at these protests have you seen any of these so-called infiltrators. absolutely not there has been a complete what i would say farcical story circulated about infiltrators the s.b.a. has let these demonstrations for over 4 or 5 months right now without one single act of violence we have checkpoints at all entry points to the city an area we have never had any incident so far the only people who have 4 by 4 pickups with armed soldiers who have anti-aircraft guns or large caliber weapons are the army and the rapid defense forces are and they are the ones who are tra

to sudan are you hopeful that the army and the protesters can come to a peaceful deal and like khalid shaikh in khartoum said a civilian government can be put in place i don't think a civil war is a possibility civilians. don't really have the luxury of getting into a long term armed confrontation with an organized military power. but i don't but i also don't think that the political situation allows for that to happen the military council does need some level of at least legitimacy in order for it to do that in the past when you know the central government in khartoum went to war in darfur so i was court about it and the support of the northern segments of sudanese society but i don't think you have that situation now. i think it is really important that everybody on all sides understand the complexity of political transitions transitions are always complex they are very messy they're very precarious it's very difficult to bring everybody around it common vision so it's important that everyone understand the complexity of transition work towards a peaceful resolution of this this conflict i

here in the studio is well lead modibo founder and president of sudan policy forum in heart to khalid shaikh a social activist and business owner in sudan he's also been the ongoing protests and in kill a well i look a senior lecturer kill university and an expert in international law i'd like to begin cartoon where the khalid shaikh the army seems to be very definite they say that the protest movement has been infiltrated in fact they are calling them in full traitors and that's why they open. on the protesters on monday nights you've been at these protests have you seen any of these so-called infiltrators. absolutely not there has been a complete what i would say farcical story circulated about infiltrators the s.b.a. has let these demonstrations for over 4 or 5 months right now without one single act of violence we have checkpoints at all entry points to the city an area we have never had any incident so far the only people who have 4 by 4 pickups with armed soldiers who have anti-aircraft guns or large caliber weapons are the army and the rapid defense forces are and they are the ones wh