khalid shaikh mohammed is saying, no, he left al qaeda in 2002. then after eit confirms khalid shaikh mohammed is lying and that al kuwaiti is actually the courier delivering messages to and from osama bin laden. this is what -- you talked to mike hayden. mike hayden is the cia director who took the extraordinary step of authorizing a huge commitment of resources by the cia on the hunch of these interrogators that khalid shaikh mohammed was not telling truth and al kuwaiti was more important than the current information led them to believe. >> the senate report debunks that theory with live cia traffic at the time. ghoul was said that he was singing like a tweety bird and gave up the connection to al kuwaiti as did all four of the sources. they did not -- >> there is a lot of information that indicates that abu zabada helped lead to the capture of sheikh mohammed which led to the capture -- there are a lot of people who were interrogated that seemed to lead to the capture of other people. >> the zabada case proves my point. went all the way to the

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he revealed that supervisor for the 9/11 operation was khalid shaikh mohammed. they did not know he was al qaeda. once they learn thread, our country learned, basically, that who done it. right? which terrorist group attacked us. that fbi interrogation was successful. it produced real information that u.s. needed and was able to act on. but then something changed. abu zubaydah was interrogated by suffant. contractors were sent in. they stripped him naked. blasted music in his cell. went ton to water board him. they were part after new cia torture program. they were sent to torture the prisoner even though he had already been talking without tore touring him. people make the case that rashalal for torturing people is that there is no time to waste. a time bomb is ticking somewhere. but the cia contractors who came in and took over for sufant and his partner seemed to have plenty of time for this guy. first stage was they put him in solitary confinement without human contact for 47 days before ever asking him a question. after 47 days of zero human contact they we

you know, this committed leftist that quite honestly want to bring khalid shaikh mohammed et al.rt only so they can have a torture trial, you know, that was thwarted by the american people and congress and 9/11 family members. so being denied their torture trial in manhattan, now they release this report, and this is the next best thing to putting america on trial. in defense of ksm. >> when you hear the president come out this week and say we're america and when we do something that's wrong we admit it and we take accountability for it. your thoughts on that. >> i think we should take accountability for it. in private. i mean, they had an i.g. investigation. these are covert operations. you're putting american lives at risk. and it won't be the obama kids who are going to be at risk, and it certainly won't be joe biden's kid who will be at risk. it will be my kid or it will be the guy who drove me here today, just traveling. >> don, all best to you and your family. thanks for coming on. >> thank you so much, megyn. i appreciate it. >> well, howie kurtz says there's a fascinating

can you image this in nuremberg or something this liftist wanting to bring khalid shaikh mohammed toy could have a tortured trial. being denied their torture trial in manhattan now they release this report. this is the next best thing to putting america on trial. >> when you hear the president come out this week and say we are america and when we do something that is wrong, we admit it and we take accountable for it. your thoughts on that? >> i think we should take accountability for it in private. i mean, they had an ig investigation. these are covert operations. you are putting american lives at risk. it won't be obamacare kids who are at risk or joe biden's kids at risk it will be my kid or the guy who drove me here today it will be his kid who's life will be at risk overseas in uniform or just travelling. >> all of the best to you and your family. thank you for coming out. >> thank you so much, megyn, i appreciate it. fascinating lesson in how the media pulled the senate cia report. he joins us next with that. the volkswagen golf was just named motor trend's 2015 car of the year.

one of the 9/11 plotters was someone who led us to khalid shaikh mohammed, the architect of 9/11. you will find different views on this. >> senator feinstein is describing the conditions in detention centers described as a dungeon, code named cobalt. it was in afghanistan. >> the cia led several detainees to suggest that they would not leave alive and he would only leave in a coffin-shaped box. that's the cia cable from caution 12, 2002. according to another cia cable, officers also planned to cremate him should he not survive his interrogation. source cia cable july 15, 2002. after the news and photographs emerged from the united states military detention of iraqis at abu ghraib, they held a hearing on the matter on may 12th, 2004. without disclosing details of their own interrogation program, the cia director testified that cia interrogations were nothing like what was depicted at abu ghraib, the united states prison in iraq were abused by american personnel. this was false. cia detainees described as a dungeon were kept in complete darkness, constantly shackled in isolated cell

in his memoir he was specifically asked was it okay to use these techniques on khalid shaikh mohammed when they captured him in 2003 and he says he thought about the widow of daniel pearl, the washington journal reporter who was killed and the 5,000 victims on 9/11 and his answer to george tenant was damn right. >> he was told about some of the details about torture and his word was he felt uncomfortable. >> he said when it was described for him detainee being chained to the ceiling and dressed in a diaper and urinating and defecating on himself, he expressed discomfort about this. he hasn't said it publicly. a few months later he gave that speech that you just showed in september of 2006 in which he actually sort of began to say we're going to end these secret prisons overseas and bring prisoners back into the light at guantanamo where there was an accounting for them and move forward. at the same time, he did defend the program. he said we do not torture and he didn't accept tactics they use constituted torture. he said they were necessary in his view to defend the country. that's s

. >> that khalid shaikh mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, who killed 3,000 americans taken down the world trade center, hit the pentagon, would have taken down the white house or the capitol building if in fact if it hand intbeen for the passengers on united 93. he is in our possession. we know he is the architect and what are we supposed to do, kiss him on both cheeks, please, please, tell us what you know? >> reporter: senator feinstein acknowledged some of those risks but said that the united states needed to bare its soul over these processes. and meanwhile the obama administration is standing by two bush era endorsers of the program, fbi director james comey and cia director john brennan who have risen to higher ranks in the obama administration. >> so you don't see any contradiction between them endorsing the policies that the president is attacking and they now serve in two most sensitive -- >> what i can tell you the president of the united states has complete confidence in the professionalism of these individuals and has got complete confidence these two individuals who serve an

got khalid shaikh mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, who's killed 3,000 americans. what are we supposed to do, kiss him on both chiks and say, please, please, tell us what you know? of course not. >> one of the teachers behind the torture techniques, james mitchell, a psychologist, who had no training in al qaeda interrogation, asked if waterboarding is torture. >> i don't think it's the right thing to do. i don't think it's the wrong thing to do. i think you can do it in a way that it constitutes torture, i think you can do it in a way nate constitutes training. it's like every tool in the tool bag. you can underuse it, you can overuse it. >> don't expect i didn't mean natural charges against cia officers but attorney general eric holder did say this. >> the senate report i think has done our country a great service. by bringing to light practices that are inconsistent with who we say we are as a nation, who we want to be as a nation. pointing a light on whether or not the tactics as harsh and as unacceptable as they were, whether 3 were actually effective. >> now,

khalid shaikh mohammed spilled his guts and continued to talk. ere were people that were inside after, inside taking care of khalid shaikh mohammed. he actually asked for a whiteboard so he could draw out the entire operation, and he did. and at one point, he went on so long, these people said he was brain-dead. he's not brain-dead. he's one of the shreddest you know what around. at one point, he actually had to wake up one of the agents, said hey, i'm talking here, and he continued to go on and was lecturing them. the guy spilled his guts. that's one problem. people said they didn't get actionable intelligence, they're either fools or i ddeologueideo. they did. the second problem is with these democratic lawmakers who don't want to put it into context, who aren't telling the truth to the american people about their role in this. if they would just come out and say, as i can say as somebody who was supportive of the program, hey, okay, look, there's some excesses in there. and we're going to get attacked again, and when we're attacked again, these

>> absolutely. >> of course they got to apologize to khalid shaikh mohammed, maybe thank you notes.y apologize if they apologize for killing 3,000 people. >> right. and continuing to plot and plan. >> dumb question. dumber answer. >> by the way, that rehydration anally, jose rodriguez last night said never heard of it before. >> do you want to say that one more time? >> i never thought i'd say those words. >> i never thought you'd say them either. >> i would give you $100 if you never say them again. >> jose rodriguez said it never happened. >> still on the hook for 100 bucks. >> let's talk to heather. >> we've got a fox news alert to bring you now. we have just learned about a sickening offer from a terror group, isis. it's trying to sell the body of american journalist james foley for $1 million. isis beheaded foley in syria a few months ago and since then a source contacted by isis says that group is trying to broker the deal online with his grieving parents or the u.s. government. >>> back here at home, mother nature about to deliver the worst blow that california has seen in ye

we have to use enhanced techniques and find out who has -- khalid shaikh mohammed who killed 3,000 americans taken down the world trade center would have taken the white house and capitol building if it hadn't been the passengers of united 93. he is in our possession we know he's the architect. what are we supposed to do kiss him on both cheeks and say please, please tell us what we need to know. we did exactly what needed to be done to catch those guilt on oy 9-11 and mref vent an attack. >> this report says -- >> excuse me. let me use the real word. >> as democrats criticize the cia interrogation tactic the white house supports extending the drone program. chief correspondent grilling josh earnest about the hypocrisy. >> can you explain how the president believes that it is unamerican to use these techniques, but it was okay to ramp up the drone policy and basically thousands of people around the world, innocent civilians killed, what's the moral equivalency there? >> there is significant care taken and there are significant checks and balances included in the system to ensure any counter-

mitchell never got to tell his side of the story but khalid shaikh mohammed did. asked the white house press secretary why. >> james mitchell says that the way it has been set up by the administration khaled sheikh mohammed has an ability to answer the charges against him a terrorist can answer the charges against him but james mitchell didn't get a chance to respond to the senate intelligence report. he didn't get his side of the story. isn't that sort of unamerican? >> it does seem to me dr. mitchell has availed himself of a number of media outlets to make his case. he certainly is entitled as an american to do that. >> the senate committee doesn't reach out to him. >> i don't know whether or not the senate committee did talk to him. >> it aeks texas plumper wants how his truck ended up in the arms of extremists. he sold his ford f 250 to a dealership two years ago now it is being seen on the front lines in syria. you can see it there mark's company logo and phone number clear as day. he's now getting death threats because of it. auto nation says the truck went t

>> specifically, khalid shaikh mohammed. my officers believe that was necessary. back to the bin laden story. >> they help you get ksm. >> that's what we say. the committee says, no. ksm says, he used to work for al qaeda. the other guy says, i never heard of him. the other guys very senior, too. he says, i have never heard of him. two guys who were being fully cooperative with us lie to us about abu. that tells us he is really important. and then ksm goes back to his cell and we are monitoring the conversations. he tells everybody he can reach, and, don't talk about the courier. >> deny his existence. >> it shows the importance of abu in the detention program. i just said something important about the necessity argument. i just made the argument that eit's making difference and my officers believe eit's made a difference. now we get to the mississippi, was it necessary -- the necessity, was it necessary? the cia continues to say it. we will never know whether these techniques were necessary to the information. my view, charlie, after having thought about this, th

of the core indicators that we were on the right path with the courier was the fact that khalid shaikh mohammeds to us he was hiding important information. >> khalid shaikh mohammed, he was water boarded 180 times? >> when the red cross asked him how many times he was water boarded, he said five. the 180 times is pours of the water, about six seconds each. if you want to consider each of those an independent waterboarding, then each pitch in a baseball game is a separate game. >> is waterboarding torture if >> according to three of the last four attorneys general of the united states, it's not. >> so if you had to do it over again, you would still water board? >> i don't know. and i thank god i didn't have to make that decision, other people did. and there are other people who ought to be thanking god they don't have to make the decision either. >> if americans were captured and waterboarding, would that be okay? >> this all depends on the circumstances at the time. if that particular american had been responsible for the death of 3,000 innocent people, i may have a rather large view of what wa

we knew about waterboarding and we knew about the suspects subjected to them including khalid shaikh mohammedthink from the perspective of those who have been covering it, you will find new details, but you see the repeated attempts in terms of the break down of the branches of government to get ahold of the situation. who knew about it and when did they know and who okayed it and the attempts to cover it up in the eyes of the senate involving the destruction of the videotapes with the techniques and those revelations. >> evan coleman, i just interviewed the attorney who is mentioned repeatedly in the document as one of the first to be subjected to the enhanced techniques who said directly to me, no, he does not believe his client ever surrendered any useful information. does that square with what you are hear something. >> we know these individuals gave up information as a result of these techniques which was not only wrong, but misleading and at least one case may have propelled us into a war. there is no doubt they led to misinformation or the wrong information. i think again, more fundame

khalid sheikh mohammed but did not give him information to track him down. it was only after they were broken that they gave enough information to track khalid shaikh mohammed to his hideout in pakistan. >> the problem is that is wrong. >> that's not court to the three directors at the time. >> the information provided by the cia at the time, that's why we went underneat what the directors were saying and saw what the traffic was from the sites at the time, why we talked to the investigators. >> you never interviewed the directors in the court? >> they were in front of the committee all the time. all the time. >> none of them were interviewed for this report, that's what they say. finally, because this gets directly to that question. the third question we want to discuss, did the cia mislead the white house and congress? the senate report ses yez, but here's vice president cheney. >> the motion that the committee is trying to pedal that the agency was operating on a rogue basis and we weren't being told or the president wasn't being told is a flat out lie. >> senator, the records show the cia briefed overall 68 members of congress on a total of more than th

if you accept those as true, whichive think is a real stretch, particularly in the case of khalid shaikh mohammed giving up the information that gave up osama bin laden, if you look at all the minuses that we incurred, the damage that we've done, the cost that we've incurred, it's going to take decades to undo the harm. i think it outweighs any potential good anyone can cite. >> the shear, the number of lies told by leaders of the cia. again, according to this report. peter bergen, i mean, you had michael hayden testifying in front of congress, essentially quoting this report, lying to congress about the humane treatment people were receiving. people in the white house talking about humane treatment. the biggest bone of contention between this report and the cia's account is, if these techniques were necessary to find osama bin laden. the report says they weren't. the cia said they were. you say what? >> well, i've read the section of the report about the hunt for bin laden. and it's very, very convincing. i mean, the burden of proof is on the other side i would say on this issue. because this re

the capture of khalid shaikh mohammed. the prevention of tax against the library tower of los angeles. and the take down of osama bin laden. other claims were made only in classified settings. to the white house, congress, and department of justice. in each case, the ci acclaimed that critical and unique information came from one or more detainees in its custody after they were subjected to the cia's coercive techniques. that information led to specific counter terrorism success. our staff reviewed every one of the 20 cases. not a single case holds up. in every single one of these cases, at least one of the following was true. one, the intelligence community had information separate from the use of eits that led to the terrorist disruption or capture. two, information from a detainee subjected to eits played no role in the claim disruption or capture and three, the purported terrorist plot either did not exist or posed no real threat to americans or united states interest. some critics have suggested that the study conclud

>> khalid shaikh mohammed has an ability to answer the charges against him on terrorists.harges against him. but mitchell didn't get a chance to respond to the senate intelligence report. didn't call him. didn't get his side of the story. isn't that sort of unamerican? >> his insufficient answer coming straight ahead. wait until you hear what he said. >> and you will. don't make the same mistake as brian at your company christmas party. remember this right here? >> i thought you were supposed to ride the bull. >> really? >> we also have video of a priest riding it. but we're not going to show that. it was actually kind of fun. but that's not something you should do. what should you do? stick around 'cause wednesdays are better with friends. >> hi. it's petra and you're watching "fox & friends" with my friends. where did they go? brian? >> super model, friend of this program for probably 12 or 13 years. >> right. yeah. she was one of our first guests and she's getting better each time with her english. do you notice that? i mean, it's always been good burks she came from th

. >> to me the idea that somebody could be waterboarded khalid shaikh mohammed and that's not torturedon't understand that definition. i don't understand how forced enemas on someone is not torture. i don't understand how leaving someone awake for 180 hours is not torture. that's where the argument is. there's a legal argument about that. i think the key questions are, given the techniques that were used that are now banned did they accomplish anything did they lead to the capture and killing of osama bin laden. and that is still under debate. >> norah, when i was acting director in early 2013 this report showed up on my desk and i was essentially a blank slate, because i was not involved in the program early on. so i was reading the senate report and i was looking at our response and i wanted to make sure that our response could stand up to scrutiny. i wanted to make sure our response was right. so i pored over this program in early 2013 like i have never pored over anything before. and when i walked away from studying the senate report, studying our response and talking to our offic

khalid shaikh mohammed has no religious standing, he's just a murderer and let's put them in jail forrt of this, this -- if president obama were to choose a time to do this, this politically was the only time that he could do this. so you can't really put politics are in play here. isn't that part of the reason we're seen to be rushing during this window? >> i think the president was timid his first six years of his administration. president bush started this, very rightly, and it should have continued at a much quicker pace. so i fault him for not moving faster, but now that he's got two years, let's do it. >> general, when you look 59 the numbers here, officials say that 17% of the more than 600 guantanamo bay detainees that have been released or transferred since 2002, they've been involved in military activity. there's 12% more suspected of doing so. so you're looking at 3 in 10 who may have gone back to the battlefield. is there any way around that? maybe you think the numbers are higher. >> i think those numbers are about right. you really can't tell, though, and there's nothing

i'm just saying one is questioning khalid shaikh mohammed.to shift topics to another heated debate. lebron, do you say come on, lebron, with the shirt that says, i can't breathe, or do you say right on, lebron? >> let me answer that this way: there is no doubt that too many young black men are being killed unnecessarily in encounters with police. there is similarly no doubt as i debated o'reilley last week that, too many black moms are more fearful of the cops when their kids go out at night than they are the crooks. that's the reality. >> that's how they feel? >> i believe that is certifiably true. i believe, therefore, that police should be equipped with nonlethal weapons. i've been advocating the return to the taser, taser, taser. demille tearize the police. tasers, not tanks. now let's get to lebron and i can't breathe. if every single unfortunate, tragic death of a young black man at the hands of a cop was eliminated today, would there be fewer black, brown and other minority families in crisis today? i submit to you that the families in

was that there was no playbook that the cia could pull off the shelf and say -- once we get khalid shaikh mohammednterrogate them. early on, as the cia admits, it was a difficult program to set up and follow. mistakes were made when they were trying to implement it in those early months and years. worth pointing out that there was the 1994 the-torture statute from 1996 war crimes act they call it a grave breach of the geneva convention, then a stream and of those held during wartime, as the detainees were. no one questions that we were in a difficult position in the days after 9/11, that resources were brought to bear and we can totally understand why individual officers may have overstepped their bounds. the problem we learn from the executive summary in this report is that it was not just a , thisl of rogue officers was a systematic program sanctioned at the highest levels of the cia, perhaps even the white house. that is the question. it is entirely predictable and understandable that the most zealous government officers are going to push the boundaries after a terrorist attack like 9/11. that

the way, "wall street journal" today for the other side of the story, they talk about how khalid shaikh mohammedt talks about the chain of events which flies in the face of the facts they say are contained there. >> the "new york times" is celebrating the fact that they have sandbagged the c.i.a. all of this is about the senate report. when was the last time you saw that much ink dedicated to something like that? clearly it is political. it came out from the democrats. they spent $40 million about it. if you were watching the mainstream media last night, nbc's brian williams asked former director of the c.i.a., michael hayden, this loaded question, but hayden's answer is sensational. listen. >> what if you, god forbid, members of your family had to undergo some of the treatments we are reading about in this report? can you personalize it in that way? >> i can. and clearly, look, brian, we're people who like you and all your viewers, we have a soul and a conscience, too. we knew as bad as these people were, we were doing this to fellow human beings. don't ever forget that. you ask me about my fam

it concludes that torture used on three detainees including khalid shaikh mohammed did not produce resultso say that we relentlessly over an expanded period of time lied to everyone about a program that wasn't doing any good, that beggars the imagination. >> reporter: it did help find osama bin laden and prevent other attacks and cia officials briefed congress repeatedly and the senate never interviewed any of the officials named. president obama acknowledged the torture program last august. >> we tortured some folks. we did some things that were contrary to our values. >> senate investigators have not been backing down at all despite a personal call by john kerry to alert them that foreign leaders were concerned about violence should the report be released this week. he suggested delaying it at least a week. they are fighting to release it as early as tomorrow. >> andrea, what do you imagine is in it or what have you been told that is in incendiary at this point? >> first of all, they're going to describe practices that took place for approximately three years. those enhanced interrogatio

break someone down is sleep deprivation, and that they believe that is what worked with ksm, khalid shaikh mohammedm break down, not the horrible things they were doing to him. is that true? >> that's probably true. i mean, sleep deprivation and isolation are really the essence of these techniques. all the rest of it is sort of icing on the cake. sleep deprivation is awful. and we're talking about in some cases, you know, six or more days without any sleep. but in a lot of cases, what they call sleep deprivation wasn't just that. it was being strapped in such a way that you were standing for days on end. your feet -- >> is there any justification -- >> -- would get swollen -- >> from the psychological perspective, are there legitimacies, or is it still torture, no matter who developed it? >> that is torture. my perspective and that of my colleagues, extended sleep deprivation is in torture. it is in some sense the essence of torture. research shows that the long-term effects of techniques like sleep deprivation on people are similar to the so-called physical torture. >> so, how do you justify or ho

and khalid shaikh mohammed nearly drowned three times and started making up stories. a fake nuclear suitcase bomb and that they were recruit iing african-american muslims in montana. and this man blindfolded threatened with a gun and cordless power drill. the court found the harsh practices not limited to waterboarding went far beyond what president bush acknowledged to matt in 2010. >> we used this technique on three people. captured a lot of people and used it on three. we gained valuable information to protect a country. it was the right thing to do as far as i'm concerned. >> with the report sparking headlines around the world today, president obama supported its release, telling telemun telemundo -- >> one thing that sets us apart from other countries, when we make mistakes we admit them. >> for all of the outrage over the reports' revelations the justice department has stoppfiv years ago decided not to prosecute any of those involved. >> and the cia director from the bush administration from 2006 on, i should say most of the conduct that we heard about took plac

zero dark thirty, describing techniques like waterboarding used on osama bin laden's deputy, khalid shaikh mohammed and two other detainees. president bush told matt, it worked. >> the use of waterboarding saved american lives. >> reporter: also weighing in, former vice president dick cheney telling "the new york times" the program was absolutely, totally justified, strongly defending the cia, saying any charge that the agency misled the white house is, quote, a crock. the report is expected to detail other harsh treatment, slamming detainees into walls, sleep deppry invasion and dousing them with cold water. according to one report, threatening the master mind of the uss cole with a buzzing power drill, although it was not used. cia defenders say the interrogations did disrupt plots and help find bin laden. it ignores the enormous pressure after 9/11 to prevent another attack. president obama canceled the program two days after he took office. the debate is erupting all over again about the decisions made after 9/11. matt? >> andrea mitchell on this story in washington. thank you so much. >>> shif