khalid sheikh is the fourth mail. years pass on an khalid sheikh is doing very good at school, a somewhat rockish boy. and the family decides they don't have any money at all. they need one son to get an education and the one son typical of an air of families in the spirit of time to support the rest of them in the sunless khalid sheikh. ultimately he applies to the school in north carolina, chuan university, and historically that this church in north carolina. either the family has saved money for my likely the muslim brotherhood of kuwait has disowned him. he joined the muslim brotherhood after two of his older brothers had joined at age 16. so we arrived in america are roughly 18 years old and is unprepared for what he sees. they interviewed the man who picked him up at the airport who drove him to murphy's or a feared what he remembers years later -- remember his khalid sheikh been surprised by what he saw. first you survive by the geography, intense scrutiny. we see trees in kuwait there behind walls. here there

new charges against khalid sheikh mohammed, mastermind of the september 11 attacks. welcome to bbc news. i am debra mackenzie. coming up -- too little, too lace. syria rejects an offer after weeks of unrest. and change in the way we look at the world. the technology that is promising to redefine reality. >> the president of the english football association, prince william, has backed calls for fifa's presidential election to be postponed until an independent inquiry into corruption allegations. sepp blatter stance unopposed after two senior officials were suspended. >> after a week of high drama for world football, it was a fitting opening to tonight's fifa congress. >> the president of fifa, sepp blatter. >> as the president arrived, he had a message for those trying to tarnish the governing bodies reputation. -- bobby's reputation. >> i believe we were living in a world of fair play, respect, and discipline. but i must say this is the longer the case. the famous fifa pyramid is shaking on its base, and there is danger. >> he may not look that dangerous, but the hea

we water boarded khalid sheikh mohammed, obviously after this picture was taken because he clearly hadn't touched water for some time. now, at some point, at some point ksm gave up the nickname of one of bin laden's couriers. we followed that courier and that's how we nailed bin laden, therefore validating torture. but the "i want to be able to look my children in the eye" crowd refused to admit torture is the real hero here. >> torture is not moral. it's not legal. it's not effective. >> it was not torture or cruel, inhuman, degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find osama bin laden. >> all of our experience shows you generate better, more accurate information when you treat prisoners humanely, when you befriend them, when you connect with them. >> probably the most tortured detainee, kalil sheikh mohammed, watered boarded 180 time, did not divluge the name of his

based on interrogating and debriefing khalid sheikh mohammed. how many plots would you like to see succeed by giving up the water boarding? how many? how many people do you want to trade so that we don't water board someone who's devoted his life to terrorism? thank you very much. [applause] [applause] >> sorry about that. microphone. >> you said that you deal in questions with the issues going too far can be count productive. one the talking heads on msnbc interviewed several period described as interrogators. who said the water boarding as a counterproductive effect causing everybody to hate america. which sounded absurd to me in the case of ksm, that you can increase the hatred for america in any way. would you comment? i'm interested to know how does an interrogator take the position that interrogation using water boarding is productive? how does one get quote, unquote interrogated to say that? >> that's a great question. first of all, the msnbc are all u.s. army interrogators. they were not interrogating high targets. that was initiallydown

khalid sheikh mohammed and four others have been held at guantanamo bay since the charges were dropped against them two years ago. that's when the obama administration hoped to end military commission trials. the suspects will be tried in one of those commissions. >>> this morning we're learning about an emergency landing in washington, d.c. triggered by a midair fistfight between two passengers. check this out. a pair of f-16 fighter jets, like these seen here, were scrambled sunday night to escort a united airlines plane back to dulles airport. the flight had taken off for the african nation of ghana, when the pilot reported the commotion to air traffic control. >> we have a passenger secured. >> negative. the passenger is not secured at this time. the passenger has settled down, though. but an assault has taken place. but at, he is not this time, h secured. >> the fight reportedly started when one passenger hit another for reclining his seat too far. the fighter jets trailed the plane for half an hour, so the pilot could dump some of the 57 tons of fuel onboard. after that, no arres

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jihad when they are strong enough there is a reason of that osama bin laden, ayman al-zawahiri, khalid sheikh mohammed, all of these al qaeda before they formed al qaeda as young men they were members of the muslim brotherhood. the brotherhood is the gateway to the violent jihadists many young american muslims in america are discovering. >> host: right now and to meet this point earlier, you talk about the kind of hot jihadist come al qaeda come hesla, is that kind of a good cop bad cop scenario with the muslim brotherhood looking in impeccably dressed and well spoken and the nicest guy in the room essentials the sitting down with certainly president bush, president clinton and president obama, high levels of the defense department homeland security saying look, we just want to help cover community help you? and yet at the same time you've got to bin laden being killed and people say we are winning this war. to me there seems to be a very subtle subterfuge going on here that makes us think we are winning when we are not. is that true? >> guest: the global jihadists movant as osama bin laden j

at chehab when they are strong enough there is a reason code osama bin laden ayman al-zawahiri, khalid sheikh mohammed, all of these outside us before they formed al qaeda as young men, they were members of the muslim brotherhood. the brotherhood is the gateway jihad as many muslims in america are discovering. but right now you made this point earlier, you talked about the kind of hot jihadists, al-shabaab, is that kind of a good cop and bad cops an area where the muslim brotherhood looking impeccably dressed and well spoken and the nicest guy in the room sitting down with president bush, president clinton and obama high levels of the defense a profit or her homeland security saying look, we just want to help our community help you. and yet at the same time, you've got bin laden being killed and winning this war to read to me there seems to be a seÓul subterfuge that makes us think we are winning when we are not to read is that true? >> guest: it's absolutely true. the movement as we were discussing osama bin laden just one part of it. al qaeda still lives and thrives but you have the likes o

will recall that for about six months they try to persuade new york city to hold the trial of khalid sheikhohammed in new york city refused. including his democratic colleague chuck schumer and i guess this sort of shirtless response would be as soon as you can identify the locale where they can hold these trials i am sure they be happy to go ahead and get them started. so i don't know why he hasn't closed the base but i think that has something to do with the reasons why they haven't held the trials. in terms of the larger question of rights, this is why i framed it in terms of attention in his thought. steve and i have both been speaking as if everybody here has read everything william james and john do we have ever written -- it's a couple of words about philosophical pragmatism. this is a movement that develops in the late 19th and early 20th century from the exasperation that some philosophers felt with the confidence that some other philosophers had that there were systems that would answer all the questions we have about issues in politics or issues of ethics. and they said, when you

lawmakers in new york city rebelled against the administration's equally foolhardy plan to try khalid sheikh mohammed in a courtroom in new york. and that's to say nothing of the security costs and the disruption that civilian trials for terrorists create for any american community. we have firsthand experience of this from the 2006 murder trial of zacarias moussaoui in alexandria, virginia. despite all of this, however, the administration seems fixated on the idea that once we have caught terrorists, the goal isn't to get as much intelligence out of them as quickly as possible to prevent further attacks on soldiers and citizens but to prove that we can treat them the same way we treat everybody else. my response to that is maybe we could -- maybe we can do that. you can put them in a u.s. court, but why in the world would you want to? you could, but should you? the administration likes to tout its confidence in the u.s. legal system. well, i don't believe the american people need to try any enemy combatants in our own hometowns and cities to prove that our court system works. we know it wor

however, we should not ignore the fact that khalid sheikh mohammed, abu zubaydah and many other al qaedakilled in pakistan with the assistance so they have been providing assistance, and one explanation of this competitive versus cooperative issue i think seth jones or what's his name and address is it in 2001 when we pressure the pakistanis to help us participate in the war on ticker, we did not insist that they would drop prize with the taliban at time. we were very much focused on al qaeda. isi said find, we will cooperate on al qaeda, but they didn't say anything of the taliban or the other groups. it wasn't brought up and we didn't insist. so, the isi continued their relationship with these groups will be targeted al qaeda in assisting us. and the impression that i got during the that period was there was something else to it besides what i just said, and that other issue was the defering threat perceptions of the pakistan is regarding the threats that they face, i think the isi consider some of these al qaeda individuals as threats to them to pakistan and the isi because they are n