khalid sheikh is the fourth male. years pass on and khalid sheikh passes on. he's a good student. somewhat a bookish boy and the family decides that not -- they can't -- they don't have anticipate money at all. that they need to back one son to get an education. and that one son -- this is typical in arab families of this period of time, would support the rest of them. and that son is khalid shake. and he goes to murfreesboro, north carolina. and either the family has saved some money or more likely the muslim brotherhood of kuwait has agreed to sponsor him. he joined the muslim brotherhood after two of his other brothers had joined at age 16. so he arrives in america at roughly 18 years old. and he's unprepared for what he sees. i interviewed the man who picked him up at the airport outside of virginia beach who drove him to murfreesboro. and what he remembers, years later, the memory he remembers is khalid sheikh being surprised by what he saw. he was surprised by the geography the intense greenery. when you see trees in kuwait they're behind walls and privately owned and here's

instead, there's going to be this move to try them like khalid sheikh mohammed in guantanamo.that when a politician or a ceo is saying something, they're not telling you the truth. now they may be telling you the truth but the burden should be on them to prove it. >> he's an eagle scout, held a brief stint as editor of "mother jones" magazine and directed and produced three of the top ten documentaries of all time and also a bestselling author. his latest a memoir is here comes trouble and later today on in-depth your chance to call, email and tweet michael moore live noon eastern on booktv 2. >> no webster at the age of 25 has this bestseller and he's very brash and he always thinks he knows everything. and sometimes he really does. and in 1785 he decides what's wrong with america. and he was spot on. the problem he says is that under the articles of confederation, the federal government didn't have enough power so he writes this pamphlet called sketches of american history and when noah webster has an idea and he takes it and he takes it to mount vernon and he takes it to ge

and khalid sheikh mohammed was not only the man who we had reason to believe, correctly, had beheaded daniel pearl, reporter for "the wall street journal", but also had claimed credit for being the architect of 9/11, killed 3,000 americans that morning. another key point that needed to be made was that the techniques that we used were all previously used on american military personnel. not all of them, but all of them had been used in training for a lot of our own, um, specialists in the military area. so there wasn't any technique that we used on any al-qaeda individual that hadn't been used on our own troops first. just to give you some idea whether or not we were, quote, torturing the people we captured. the way the program worked was, um, the agency came in, um, george tenet then still, director of the cia. he talked to me, talked to a couple of other people. basically, he wanted to know however they could go in terms of interrogations of these individuals that we captured. and the, you really needed two kinds of sign-offs. one was a sign-off from the president, and secondly was a

there was an attempt to get witnesses, such as khalid sheikh mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, to either give testimony, or to interview him through some other means. and that was prevented by the u.s. government. there was no way that those people could be interviewed. and so there was a legal fight in which the judge threatened to throw the whole case out. it went up to the supreme court, came back down in the there was a decision actually to have the interviews with people like khalid sheikh mohammed be rewritten into a format and with the defense and the prosecution of out to be presented in the trial. >> and you are writing from the point of view of an an anthropologist and he raised a question of representation. so there is national and personal identity. what can we learn about representation from this case? >> well at our guinness book that has three different -- was attempting to represent himself in three different ways. one was legally and actually were 17 months he represented himself. he and a sense fired his defense attorneys. so there was the issue of legal representation.

the car was smashed by eight khalid sheikh muhammed. injuries are so severe that they sued him and i found a copy of a lawsuit. ll's name is kristian. kristian vs. mohammed. [laughter] ultimately they win the case. they are awarded more than a substantial sum of money at the time the injuries were fairly severe. he never pays a and dodges the sheriff in plots the law but talky 21 attorney they remember him bursting into the office with a translator to lecture about the iran and iraq war and why america it is wrong about israel. it turns out

it was people like khalid sheikh modamm modammed. the idea that the united states was torturing anybody is

i was there with khalid sheikh mohamed. these enhanced interrogation techniques that conclude with waterboarding, as appalling as they are to people in the west, it is nothing compared to what they are expecting to receive if they are caught in some eastern jail. >> stephen: right, so we're still the good guys for doing it. let's be clear, you don't have a problem with waterboarding? >> i do have a problem with waterboarding because i don't believe it's effective. let me tell you how interrogations work, for example. >> stephen: i know how that works. good cop, bad cop, right? >> no. >> stephen: bad cop water boards, good cop carries the towel. >> no. where were you when i was on the "frontline"? >> stephen: i was on the front line here every night, my friend. so how do they work? how do you believe... >> you outsmart the individual. you have a lot of information already in your finger... under your fingertips on that person, on the organization. you try to outwit them into knowing you have a lot of things about them. for e

there was an attempt to get witnesses such as khalid sheikh mohammed dni to -- mastermind of nine --9/11 to give testimony or to interview him through some other means and there was prevented by the u.s. government there was no way those people could be interviewed so there was a legal fight to the judge threatened to hold lowercase out it went to the supreme court and came back down and then there was a decision actually to help the interviews with people like khalid sheikh mohammed and rewritten into a format to the defense and prosecution co would to be presented in the trial. estimates of his national and personal identity what can we learn about her presentation from this case? >> i argue in this book he had three different major -- was attempting to represent itself three different ways. one was legally in for 17 months he represented himself and fired his attorney said there was a an issue of legal representation did he have a right to do so? yes did he do a good job for a while and he kind of stop the proceedings he would write his own pleadings in his riding because he wasn'

obama administration ministrations said that they were going to try alleged nine eleven mastermind khalid sheikh muhammad in a civilian court and then happen the former mayor said a civilian trial would be the wrong move and that it would deny that the u.s. is involved in a war on terror but barack obama deciding that we're not at war with terrorism any longer he was not treated as if it was an act of war which should be treated like. he was not the only one screaming bloody murder human rights first dot org but together this compilation of pundits are getting in their two cents to scare the american people. why did you sign up lower manhattan making it a mess i think it is and i'm nice noble decision at the very least this was a rather gloomy to get yourself for just your united states for you to see the teaching evolution is. that's right this was a huge deal all we heard about was the amount of security that would need to be involved the horrors of trying suspects terror suspects on american soil allowing them to use our federal courts instead of military commissions and thanks to all this ri

instead, you know, there's going to be this move to try people like khalid sheikh mohammed in guantanamo. yes, this trial was extremely expensive, and the government as far as i know has not released the amounts. it's in the millions of dollars so, yes, it was very expensive. on the other hand, some of the reporters covering this case particularly for the arabic tv press through the bbc said to me that he was amazed at the fairness of this trial. he had the right to speak. he had the right to express himself. he had the right to make pleadings. he was not taken out and hanged or executed. he could speak, and the judge, i think, to her credit bent over backwards to make sure that he did have those rights. and there are certain rights in the u.s. court system, and i hope that people will realize that in the military commissions that similar right need to be afforded to those people. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> booktv has covered over 9,000 nonfiction ars

court, came back down, and then there was a disto actually have the interviews with people like khalid sheikh mohammed be rewritten into a format that both the defense and prosecution are -- >> and you raised the question of representation. so there's national and there's personal identity. what can we learn about representation from this case? >> well, he -- i argue in this book that he had three different, um -- was attempting to represent himself in three different ways. one was legally, and, actually, for 17 months he represented himself. he, in a sense, fired his attorneys, his defense attorneys. so this was the issue of legal representation. did he have the right to do so? well, the judge decided, yes. he actually did quite a good job and kind of stalled out the proceedings. he would actually write his own pleadings, he would do it in land mig, and he would write those online. and the web site which were full of jokes and play on words, and finally the judge had had enough. so that was his legal representation. then there was his social representation. who was this guy in terms of natio

that is why the administration itself has reversed its position on trying khalid sheikh mohammed in new york city. th they wanted to try the mastermind in the middle of new york city but the american people were so outraged by trying someone who is the mast sper mind of 9/11 in the middle of new york city and the millions of dollars it would have cost to protect the citizens of new york from this horrible individual, giving him a forum in the middle of new york city. again, the costs associated with protecting them in civilian trials is alone enough as they should in military commissions. we raise the risk of compromising classified information which i've given examples of. and we risk the release of these combatants into american society. for these reasons, consistent with the long-standing precedent, we should not be bringing enemy combatants to the united states for civilian trials. if the obama administration is willing to kill enemy combatants without due process, why is it so against placing these same enemy combatants in military custody and treating them under the law of war and

make himself a public martyr aç problem in trying cases in federal civilian courts the other guy khalid sheikh the prosecutors have is he was initially arrested on child porn charges. if the prosecutor decides if youç don't take this plea, we are going to file child porn charges against you that might sink his ship that's generally not something a jihadist is going to engage in. the guys in the prison system aren't going to like him too much for that to avoid that charge, my guess is he may take a plea. >> he will be in isolation, i would guess. rachel, last word. >> they are not going to goç after him for the child porn issues. under the military tribunal laws he's charged with that under the military tribunal. no u.s. attorney can go after someone when they are under that jurisdiction for any charge. they've got him on the other stuff. >> i wouldn't count it out bet they bring that in, a great reason for him to plead guilty. >> you had to get the lastç word david. >> i'm sorry gregg. >> good to see you both. rachel and david, thank you. >> thank you. >>> new information about critical dru

standing for marriage between a man and a woman, and, certainly don't want to see terrorists, like khalid sheikh mohammed released from guantanamo bay. that is nonnegotiable. >> the congresswoman in the latest university of iowa poll, that came out on friday, has 4% support in the state behind perry, newt gingrich, paul, romney and cain, the leader with 37%, and that is in iowa. and in new hampshire, we learned governor john sununu will endorse mitt romney, tomorrow when mitt romney files his candidacy papers up there. in the north. back to you. >> jamie: peter doocy, staying on it for us, live from d.c. thank you so much. and, despite herman cain's recent surge in the polls, some recent stumbles are prompting questions over his readiness for the white house. so, can the cain train make it up? the political hills ahead. or will it run out of steam, john fund, senior editor for ""the american spectator"" magazine. >> good morning. >> jamie: was it a leak that was beneficial or detrimental for herman cain? >> it was two steps back, i mean, fumbles, on guantanamo and, whether or not we would releas

including khalid sheikh mohammed. i believe mr. nor quist is connected with or profited from a number of unsavory people out of the mainstream. i also believe that mr. norquist has advanced many other issues that many other americans would find inappropriate and when taken as a whole should give people pause. america is in trouble. unemployment is over 9%. housing values continue to decline. retirement accounts are threatened. the american people are worried. yet, washington is tragically shackled in ideological gridlock. some are dead set of any change to entitlement programs while other insist that any change of tax policy is off the table. we are at a point today that the tsunami of debt in america demands that every piece of the budget be scrutinized and that means more than cutting waste, fraud and abuse and discretionary programs. the real runaway spending is out-of-control entitlement costs and the hundreds of billions in annual earmarks in our tax code. until we reach an agreement that addresses those two drivers of our def

the obama administration withdraws those charges and was going to put him in norkd, giving khalid sheikh mohammed the same constitutional rights as an american citizen, take that show on the road from guantanamo bay and have a trial in the heart of new york city that would cost $300 million alone for security. that blew up in their face. you just don't get it. most americans don't see these people as some guy that robbed a car -- stole a car or robbed a liquor store. most americans see the detainees that we're capturing on the battlefield throughout the whole world as a genuine threat to this country. and i applaud the obama administration for taking the fight to the terrorists, for going after bin laden, for using predator drones on the battlefield all over afghanistan and pakistan. what i fought them with is that we have no way of capturing someone and acquiring good intelligence because you have locked the system down. and this detainee legislation that we have before the senate will allow a way to go forward. what happens if you capture someone tomorrow, where do we put them, what ja

the obama administration withdraws those charges and was going to put him in norkd, giving khalid sheikh mohammed the same constitutional rights as an american citizen, take that show on the road from guantanamo bay and have a trial in the heart of new york city that would cost $300 million alone for security. that blew up in their face. you just don't get it. most americans don't see these people as some guy that robbed a car -- stole a car or robbed a liquor store. most americans see the detainees that we're capturing on the battlefield throughout the whole world as a genuine threat to this country. and i applaud the obama administration for taking the fight to the terrorists, for going after bin laden, for using predator drones on the battlefield all over afghanistan and pakistan. what i fought them with is that we have no way of capturing someone and acquiring good intelligence because you have locked the system down. and this detainee legislation that we have before the senate will allow a way to go forward. what happens if you capture someone tomorrow, where do we put them, what ja

we have the mastermind of the 9/11 disaster khalid sheikh mohammed in guantanamo bay. we would never consider negotiating those terrorists, admitted terrorists, for an american in a hostage situation. i also want you to know quite firmly, i stand for life, from conception until natural death. and a president must know and recognize what barack obama does not. he says that he personally does not believe in abortion. but president obama also believes that the government should not intervene when it comes to the issue of abortion. i believe that the government must intervene and i stand for a federal constitutional amendment to protect life from conception until natural death. [applause] >> i also believe sitting on the intelligence committee we know now that there are 59,000 other than mexicans who come across america's borders every year. this is a national security threat. i'm the first candidate to sign a pledge to build a fence on our southern border. and i will tell you as president of the united states, i will not only build that fence in the first year of my presi