implicated as herman goering was that energy level but let's take a look at the situation of khalid sheikh mohammed here's somebody who may go to trial if he's convicted of implication to make an. yes the being involved in killing three thousand americans we're going to sentence him to life in prison in some sense by not having a death sentence reserved for the most heinous crimes you cheapen the deaths of those who perished in those circumstances knowing that we still have you you're not going to find a lot of nine eleven victims' families who disagree with you and be tim mcveigh who you know did pretty much the same thing just on a smaller scale was looking forward to die he didn't want to be alive in jail anymore but you know if he had to say that we are where we authorized that gary gilmore i think was the first one after these you supreme court cliche about me and he undertook the death sentence now i don't think that that's an encouragement to others to commit homicide because they will there's actually a school psychologist the suggests that it is the i know you know in other words we're tal

and that son is khalid sheikh mohammed. and they send -- ultimately, he applies to school in north carolina and he goes to college. an historically baptist school in murphy, north carolina. either the family has saved some money, or more likely, the muslim brotherhood of kuwait agreed to sponsor him. he joined after two of his older brothers joined at age 16. he arrives in america at roughly 18 years old. he's unprepared for what he sees. i interviewed the man that picked him up at the airport out of virginia beach that drove him to murphy's borrow. what he remembers, this is years later, the member is khalid sheikh mohammed being surprised by what he saw. firstly, he's surprised by the geography, the intense greenery. when you see trees, they are usually behind walls and privately owns. here there were just trees everywhere. but more surprising, and more strange, and more off putting than the trees, were the people and what they were doing. they were sitting in lawn chairs on their front lawn visible from the road. they ar

people i do not believe if there's a trial and it's proven by confession or otherwise that khalid sheikh mohammed wanted in for dissipated in the killing of three thousand americans on nine eleven i don't think the death penalty shows that that's an uncivilized response. that kind of savage behavior and that's where we're just going to have to end it with a disagreement because i i would say it is but recite really appreciate your thanks nice to see. as much as i'd like to see the death penalty abolished that would only scratch the surface of the numerous problems with our judicial system i'll touch on this topic more internets nearly take. yesterday was the fourth of july a day to celebrate our nation's independence with fireworks barbecues and flashy red white and blue clothing or if you're one atheist organization a day to promote your godless agenda some of you may have noticed yesterday planes flying around the nation dragging banners that read god bless america and atheism is patriotic it was a message an stunt put on by atheist stuff or a nationwide organization committed to curing civil r

there's a reason, though, that osama bin laden, khalid sheikh mohammed, before they formed al-qaeda, as young men, they were members of the muslim brotherhood, the brotherhood is the gateway to violent jihad. as many young muslims in america are discovering. >> host: you made this point earlier. you talk about the kind of -- the hot jihadists, al-qaeda, hezbollah, al-shabaab, is that kind of a good cop/bad cop scenario now with the muslim brotherhood looking impeccably dressed and well-spoken and the nicest guy in the room, essentially sitting down with certainly president bush, president clinton and president obama, high levels of the defense department and homeland security saying, look, we just want to help our community help you. and yet at the same time you've got bin laden being killed. and you have people saying, we're winning this war. to me, it seems to be a very subtle subterfuge going on here that makes us think we're winning when it's not true? >> guest: that's absolutely true. the global jihad we're discussing osama bin laden is just one part. al-qaeda still lives and st

ayman al-zawahiri, khalid sheikh mohammed, all of these al qaeda kingpins before they formed al qaedabrotherhood. bill: much of that came out of egypt but the report today is done by a group out of florida, citizens for national security. are you familiar with this group? >> you know, i don't know too much about the group, bill... bill: apparently they'll name names. >> okay. i'm looking forward to it. yes, look, number one, the islamic society of north america, an alphabet soup of these islamic groups and the islamic society of north america is named in those muslim brotherhood documents, that i mentioned. yet, bill, this is a group that has an open door, to our white house. this is a big problem, because the muslim brotherhood's goals, yes, they differ in tactics from al qaeda but the goals are the same as al qaeda. bill: what do you mean? what do you mean they have a front door pass to the white house? >> well, look, this is a group that is in meetings with the obama white house, and advising this obama white house, on its muslim outreach policies. and they have been presents, had

but, look a happened with khalid sheikh mohammed. american people rose up and they said, don't try the mastermind behind 9/11 in new york city and he's now going to be tried en a military commission. so i would urge the administration to take the same steps with this individual, who is a member of two terrorist organizations. bill: senator, thank you for your time, this letter has been signed and more names may be added. we shall see. >> i think they will. thanks, bill. bill: 20 minutes past the hour. heather? heather: casey anthony just sentenced and we are awaiting her arrival at the orange county jailhouse. you are looking at live pictures there. this is about 8 miles from the court house where anthony received her sentencing, just moments ago. sentenced on four counts of lying to authorities. one year for each, served consecutively, four years but, granted credit for time served. we'll have more as she makes her way to the jail. bill: also he was "america's most wanted" fugitive, whitey bolger, living in plain sight on the beache

by the president, which he backed away from, was to bring the author of the 9/11 attack, khalid sheikh mohammed, to central new york at a cost of an estimated $75 million to protect the courts, the judge, the prosecutor, the jury, and their families. the president backed away from that khalid sheikh mohammed decision, but apparently he has made that decision again with regard to ahmed abdulkadir warsame. my question is this: what threat is now being posed to the people of new york? what threat is being posed to the federal government judge? what will the prosecutor fear for the rest of his or her life in participating in this unnecessary civilian prosecution, and especially for the jurors and their families that now will be subject to scrutiny throughout the jihadist world by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and al shabab, why is this unnecessary threat going to be posed to americans? that is why some have joined me in a letter to attorney general holder saying this is a mistake, that we have brought undue attention to the people of new york by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, al qaeda itsel

khalid sheikh mohammed was found in pakistan.l the others, the significant people, abu zubaydah, so many, in fact i would like to know how many of the current inhabitants of guantanamo who are arrested in countries other than afghanistan or pakistan with the help of pakistan intelligence services. so i think that sometimes we just go from one end of great allies and friends which is what the mantra was at one time in the previous administration to ghosh, of these guys suck, no good. this is not the way to do business. we wouldn't remarked as the latter. we understand them to be as a reflection of an american statement of policy and the americans have the right to defend their homeland by ensuring that terrorists are put up against the homeland are dealt with but as far as we are concerned, we are very cognizant of our sovereignty. we would like to protect our sovereignty, and sovereignty requires when operations take place in pakistan they should take place with our knowledge and our participation. >> a quick follow what is that