khalid sheikh mohammed sent out, basically invited yassari. e spent two days with them interviewing them and that just goes to show, to me how egotistical khalid sheikh mohammed is, but also how brazen he was. we talked to somebody who was familiar with that incident and said that ksm literally walks the reporter down on the stairs as he left, and you know, one thing that i've always remember that an isi person told me in 2002 was that the isi has pakistan so well covered that you can't smoke a cigarette on a street corner without us knowing what brand it is. i always remember that. if that was the case, then why couldn't you find these guys? >> i think that is overstating the capabilities. >> it took the cia tenures to find the modern but yet they frank pellegrino is one of the main characters in the books. tell us here is one of the leading experts on ksm who wasn't allowed to speak to khalid sheikh mohammed for many years. even though he was an american -- in american custody. >> as a great question. i think that that -- he was one of the mo

but you raised a very important question which is how did al zawahiri find khalid sheikh mohammed andthat is not what happened. is actually the other way round the that khalid sheikh mohammed sent out basically invited al zawahiri to karachi to meet with him as who has taken on a circuitous road and all of a sudden he opens the door and khalid sheikh mohammed and ramzi yousef for there. that just goes to show a couple of things. one, how it egotistical khalid sheikh mohammed is but also how brazen he was in karachi. we talked to somebody who was familiar with that incident who said ksm literally walked down the stairs of the flat and out onto the street when he left, and you know, one thing that i will always remember that a senior isi person told me back in 2002 was that the isi has pakistan so well covered that you can't smoke a cigarette on any street corner in pakistan without us knowing what rand it is. i always remember that because of that was the case why couldn't you find these guys which raises a lot of questions. >> beheading that is overstating isi's capability. not that t

khalid sheikh mohammed and four others are being arraigned in gitmo. ed -- the admitted master mind and changed america as we knew it. a rare look at the man dubbed ksm, after osama bin laden's death he is probably the most notorious terrorist alive in the world. our pentagon correspondent chris lauren is at guantanamo bay. could start a legal circus, why is that? >> reporter: because simply, randi, knonobody knows what he l do. this will be the first time anyone has seen khalid sheikh mohammed in years. we're 90 minutes away from his court appearance. a lot of the family members are here today, they, too, are just less than two hours away from taking their first look at him for some of them. and no one knows what is going to happen. do they plead guilty, in which case all this moves toward a sentencing phase, or does khalid sheikh mohammed and the others keep the soapbox and the opportunity to continue you willy -- to bash america and plead not guilty that he boasted of planning in previous court appearances. one of the family members we spoke to last

he sat at a table in the front of the courtroom, and again khalid sheikh mohammed, the confessed mastermind of september 11, seemed in charge. captured in pakistan in 2003, today, mohammed, known as k.s.m., is thinner, his bushy beard tinted red. once seated, he said nothing. when military judge james paul asked repeated questions about whether he wanted lawyers and who he wanted to represent him, k.s.m. looked away. paul asked k.s.m. eight questions, and eight times the judge said, "the accused refuses to answer." the other four terror suspects accused of training hijackers or facilitating the 9/11 attacks also remained silent when judge paul questioned them. they kept their faces down, flipped through magazines or read the koran. one american lawyer for defendant walid bin-attash wore traditional muslim attire and even urged the female military prosecutors, dressed in uniform with knee-length skirts, to consider more appropriate attire so the suspects won't have fear of committing a sin under their faith. the obama administration planned to bring the five to new york for trial in a regula

this will be the first time anyone has seen khalid sheikh mohammed in years. we're 90 minutes away from his court appearance. a lot of the family members are here today, they, too, are just less than two hours away from taking their first look at him for some of them. and no one knows what is going to happen. do they plead guilty, in which case all this moves toward a sentencing phase, or does khalid sheikh mohammed and the others keep the soapbox and the opportunity to continue you willy -- to bash america and plead not guilty that he boasted of planning in previous court appearances. one of the family members we spoke to last night said the united states is going a bit overboard in its efforts to be cultural license tiff. >> do you blame like the obama administration? for dragging this out? >> i blame us for trying to too good. too much better than them. we're trying to be too good. you can't have a nice war. war is war. a soldier accidentally shoots somebody, gets put on trial. >> this wasn't a war. this was totally innocent people. >> reporter: cliff and c

defense lawyers want khalid sheikh mohammed to be able to wear vests and turbans. s the admitted mastermind of 9/11, blamed for the attack on three people. our pentagon correspondence, chris lawrence, is in guantanamo bay, cuba. what is happening in court right now? >> reporter: randi, a couple hours ago when we talked you mentioned it could be a circus atmosphere and in less than an hour it certainly lived up to that already. khalid sheikh mohammed for a while asked, can you hear me? there was total silence in the courtroom and then after that there became just this long, drawn out back and forth between his defense attorney and the judge over whether khalid sheikh mohammed will even participate. his defense attorney says that khalid sheikh mohammed is choosing not to participate because he was tortured, because of the way that he was treated not only in the last year, year and a half, and brought in by shackles, there was talk about something that he did outside of the courtroom that got him in the shackles and there was a conversation about how and when he should

do i care about khalid sheikh mohammed? no. this is one of the critical guys who plan the 9/11. re we're not supposed to stoop to their level. >> the truth is about khalid sheikh mohammed, you really didn't break him. >> why, why you say that. >> he didn't tell but osama bin laden. he didn't tell you how to get him, find him. >> some of these people were not going to tell us everything. >> so you don't break them. >> there is a limit. there is a limit to what they will tell us. >> and apparently you reached that limit right away. according to the c.i.a. inspector general you didn't get any good information out of these guys. why did you do it 183 times if you weren't getting any information. you knew there was a limit to what you were going to get. god, this is such an embarrassment for this great great country. we're not supposed to be like tin pot dictators that torture detainees that they have. get a load of the misinformation that he puts here. it gives you a sense of whether he's totally lying or has no idea what he's talking about. watch this. >> we don't know. we don't kno

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military prison in guantanamo bay, cuba, none approaches khalid sheikh mohammed's mohammed's notoriousts he planned 9/11 attacks for al qaeda. >> we have to make sure that khalid sheikh mohammed and others, who are accused of these heinous crimes are brought to justice. >> it sets in trial a live feed. a few seats will also be public. >> this guy was in the center of things. he was part of a 14-high-grade terror suspect that the united states had isolated. >> majid con will testify. it could corroborate. >> my expectation is that he is going to be a very valuable witness to the united states. >> reporter: because it could independently verify khalid as the mastermind of 9/11, without the legal entanglement of torture. alex demetrick, wjz eyewitness news. >> since his admission to plotting the 9/11 attacks, khalid sheikh mohammed says he welcomes the death penalty to become a martyr. >>> a local honor student pleads guilty today to helping a terrorist. mohammed khalid admits he helped raise money and recruits. they had been preparing to attend johns hopkins university on a full scholars

>> bill: zufan says he got information from zubada that led to khalid sheikh mohammed without the rough stuff. >> it did not lead to mohammed, bill. >> bill: wait. once you started the rough stuff is that true? zubada basically had enough of the fbi and basically told zufan to go home. >> bill: i'm still confused did zubada shut up after you wausharaed him? did he just shut down. >> no we did not waushara him until august of that year. >> did the fbi get very high valued information without the rough stuff? did they get it? the fbi and you? the only thing give credit to get the nickname of muktar and this was it. >> bill: you contend that ali zufan is not telling the truth here. >> i contend and he doesn't know when we started doing the enhanced interrogation tech -- techniques. we got thousands of reports that got us to take down and destroy the al qaeda on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually, the relationships are very good. and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy thi

khalid sheik mohammed. soufan called a supervisor. >> we did not know that khalid sheikh mohammed was a member of al qaeda. and immediately after that, i contacted my asac in new york, and he was totally shocked. he said, "but he's not a member of al qaeda, khalid sheikh mohammed." i said, "well, think again." >> smith: abu zubaydah also told soufan about an active plot which led to the arrest of an al qaeda figure named jose padilla in chicago. but the cia believed abu zubaydah knew much more, so they brought in a special contractor, a retired air force psychologist. although he has been publicly identified since, his name is still technically classified. his real name is mit >> i don't... >> smith: you cannot confirm i >> i cannot confirm or deny the individual's name shape or form. so i describe him in boris. >> smith: and so boris arrives. tell me. tell me the story. >> boris arrives, and we believed we were getting some headway with abu zubaydah. but he has different opinion about how to handle this interrogation. >> smith: so there was a lot of tension between you and this contractor... this psycholog

. >> jamie: we've been waiting for this day for nearly 11 years, khalid sheikh mohammed, the 9/11 mastermind and four alleged co-conspirators are finally arraigned by a military judge in guantanamo bay, cuba. the obama administration hopes to shut gitmo down and hoping to move cases like this to civilian courts and congress blocked the efforts and catherine herridge is monitoring the proceedings and joins us live outside the compound. >> reporter: well, thank you, uma, good morning, before the hearing began today, a one-time military contact of mine said we could expect the unexpected and we could expect fireworks and that is exactly what unfolded in the courthouse over my shoulder, when i was here for the first arraignment of the 9/11 suspects in 2008 under the bush administration, the five men tried to take control of the proceedings by acting as their own attorneys, and today they tried to take control of the proceedings, by refusing to cooperate, by refusing to answer questions and refugue to wear the ear phones, through which they can hear the arabic translation and they said they would

>> bill: zufan says he got information from zubada that led to khalid sheikh mohammed without the rough it did not lead to mohammed, bill. >> bill: wait. once you started the rough stuff is that true? zubada basically had enough of the fbi and basically told zufan to go home. >> bill: i'm still confused did zubada shut up after you wausharaed him? did he just shut down. >> no we did not waushara him until august of that year. >> did the fbi get very high valued information without the rough stuff? did they get it? the fbi and you? the only thing give credit to get the nickname of muktar and this was it. >> bill: you contend that ali zufan is not telling the truth here. >> i contend and he doesn't know when we started doing the enhanced interrogation tech -- techniques. we got thousands of reports that got us to take down and destroy the al qaeda on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually, the relationships are very good. and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this zufan. >

soufan says he got information to from would you have bade da that led to information about khalid sheikh mohammedithout the rough stuff it? >> did not lead to khalid sheikh mohammed. >> bill: once you started the rough stuff sue would you have bade da would you zubaydah. did he just shut down. >> we not waterboard him until august of that year. >> did the fbi get high information about without the rh stuff the fbi and you. >> the only thing the fbi will give him credit for him to get the nickname of muktar and that was it. >> >> bill: so you contend that alisoufan is not telling the truth here. >> he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. we got thousands of intelligence reports that basically allowed us to take down and destroy the al qaeda organization attacked us on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and the cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually the relationships are very good and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this soufan a

the alleged mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed is among them. all five accused terrorists are attending the hearing in person at the u.s. military bait in guantanamo, cuba, cbs's chris lawrence is there and joining us by phone. chris, what happened this morning? >> reporter: fred, there was a major disruption in court just in the last four minutes. one of the defendants, ramzi binalshibh said maybe you're not going to see us anymore. the judge tried to quiet him down saying this is not the place for that, this is not the time for that. binalshibh said the people at the camps are going to kill us. a major disruption. he allegedly helped the hijackers find the flight schools and get into the united states and also allegedly helped finance the entire 9/11 operation. he was supposed to be one of the hijackers and he actually made a martyr video but he was denied a visa at the u.s. embassy in berlin so was not allowed to enter the united states. a major disruption in court in the last five minutes. >> while that disruption was taking place, what abou

soufan says he got information to from would you have bade da that led to information about khalid sheikh mohammedough stuff it? >> did not lead to khalid sheikh mohammed. >> bill: once you started the rough stuff sue would you have bade da would you zubaydah. did he just shut down. >> we not waterboard him until august of that year. >> did the fbi get high information about without the rh stuff the fbi and you. >> the only thing the fbi will give him credit for him to get the nickname of muktar and that was it. >> >> bill: so you contend that alisoufan is not telling the truth here. >> he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. we got thousands of intelligence reports that basically allowed us to take down and destroy the al qaeda organization attacked us on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and the cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually the relationships are very good and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this soufan and just caus

master mind behind the 9/11 attacks is back on trial at guantanamo bay, the second time that khalid sheikh mohammed been charged. >> reporter: khalid sheikh mohammed and four alleged cocon spare tore -- coconspirators were arraigned on saturday they are facing 3,000 counts of murder. some of the 9/11 victims' families want the most severe form of justice. >> it has to be the death penalty. it doesn't have to be anguli death. >> it lingers -- an ugly death. >> it lingers in the back of your mind. >> reporter: at first khalid sheikh mohammed said he wanted to plead guilty and be a martar. they are back in court under a revamped military justice system. the attorney for one of the accused said it's unfair to his client. >> over time we will be challenging the legality and the structure of the government as a whole. >> reporter: russell says he doesn't need the full trial with the evidence. >> i tasted death, literally. i was down there long enough to see it. >> reporter: they could be facing the death penalty if convicted. melissa rainy. >>> a blind chinese prisoner may be headed to the u.s. soil. tho

thanks for having. >> >> we have khalid sheikh mohammed appearing in a military court today, more thane 9/11 attacks and yet you say despite all the efforts over the past ten or 11 years we're no safer today than 2001. why do you say that? >> look, important progress has been made with respect to a small subset of the problem. we have killed bin laden. we've taken down a number of the al qaeda leaders, we have got khalid sheikh mohammed, and a relatively small number of others in custody, and, now, as you say, being prosecute. the problem is, that is just a subset of the universe of people who are waging what i think is probably best described as the jihadist's war on america. it doesn't count the larger community of al qaeda-like violent jihadists, for one thing, we have been talking about al qaeda core as opposed to its franchises. the franchises shouldn't be dismissed or minimized. they are a serious problem. but, beyond that, there is this other phenomenon. another form of jihad that is being waged by another organization. they call it civilization jihad. and that organization is t

khalid sheikh mohammed admitted he master minded the 9-11 attacks, planning the hijacking. 'and other four terrories will plead not guilty in front of a military tribunal. they face the death penalty if convicted. but that could take years. families of 9-11 victims want to see just particular like chris and christina russell whose brother was a firefighter in one of the towers when it collapsed. >> it has to be the death penalty, doesn't have to be an ugly death, you can select what you wish off the menu. they have experts that deal with. >> life in prison drags it out and costs us government money, and it just -- it lingers in the back of your head these people are still alive. they are not glorious, it would bring closure. >> hopefully. >> other families of victims arrived in cuba yesterday to see the arraignment. objections by defense attorneys could further complicate the trial. it has taken years just to get to this point. in fact some top military attorneys say could it turn in a legal circus. we'll keep an eye on it. >>> leon panetta says the enemy may be losing the

harsh interrogation : sufan says he he got information from sue bade da that led directly to khalid sheikh mohammed without the rough stuff. >> it did not lead to khalid sheikh mohammed, bill. >> bill: you contend is he not telling the truth here. >> i contend is he not telling the truth. and he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. >> bill: here now to reply is mr. sufan the author of the book black banners inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda. what say you? >> thank you for the opportunity to respond. >> bill: sure, absolutely. >> you know, mr. rodriguez is totally wrong here. as fbi agents we are trained to deal with facts. let's stick with the facts. >> bill: okay. >> he said on your show that enhanced interrogation techniques started in august of 2002. mr. padilla was arrested in may of 2002. it is physically impossible that information that arrested the alleged dirty bomber jose padilla. the information we got from mr. padilla the joint cia fbi team without the enhanced interrogation techniq

khalid sheikh mohammed is among them. they are not expected to be entering pleas. >>> and jan brewer has signed a bill into law, cutting off funding for planned parenthood for nonabortion services. the governor says the law insures that no tax money is used to indirectly pay for abortions. planned parenthood is planning legal action. >>> and an update on a 27-year-old woman who plunged to her death while hang gliding. the pilot has produced the memory card from the camera. police believe it may hold answers to the tragic accident. >>> and a gray whale tangled in a fishing net off the coast of california for weeks has finally been freed. the fishermen used bamboo poles to rescue the whale. who did a lap around the vessel. >>> time, now, for the weather and ace meteorologist, ginger zee. >> we've got ron caught on to it, too. it's going to be a hot cinco de mayo. let's see a video or a live shot from earlier this morning. wfaa, dallas, our affiliate there. this time of year, they have more than 13 1/2 hours of daylight. so

supreme court case and congressional uproar, but tomorrow the case against khalid sheikh mohammed, thetermind of the terror attacks begins in earnest with arraignment. chris lawrence is already on the scene, joining us live with a preview. tell our viewers what we can expect. >> reporter: well, wolf, that is the key -- what will khalid sheikh mohammed say? what will he look like? remember, it's been years now since anyone in the public has laze eyes on this man. that's why many of the, and no one knows what he is going to say. -- with the first appearance. i think you have to tune in and find out what's going to happen. >>> former judge advocate don guter felt the pentagon shake. one of the his staffers was on the plane that hit the building, but he opposed -- >> this is a risky way to take care of these trials. >> reporter: in 2008 khalid sheikh mohammed pled guilty to murder and said i'm looking to be a martyr, but that military commission got canceled. >> the original set of rules and laws set down under the bush administration for the trial by military commissions were basically st

patchy the mastermind behind the september 11th terror attacks is being arained in cuba, khalid sheikh mohammed four others facing charges of terrorism and murder and their roles in that attack and catherine herridge is in guantanamo bay and we'll have a live report, coming up at the top of the hour. and, president obama is officially starting a re-election campaign today and he and the first lady are holding events in the key swing states of ohio and virginia, a popular spokesman for the presumptive nominee, mitt romney, and will check in with ed bradley, traveling with the president. violence left 23 people dead in a town over the mexican border, 9 killed were found hanging from a bridge, and 14 others were found in an abandoned car. more on these and the rest of your top headlines, coming up, at the top of the hour on america's news headquarters, i hope you will join us. ♪ >> first the taxpayer party in the gsa and now a top immigration official is pleading guilty to scamming taxpayers out of $500,000 by billing for trips he never took. and, wayne has a simple solution to all of it. what is

i came a long way to see you, eye to eye, khalid sheikh mohammed, and your four dominions. if you had done this in another country, it would be a different story. they would have given you your wish to meet your maker quicker than you would realize, but this is america, and you deserve a fair and just trial according to our constitution. >> the next hearing is scheduled for june 12th. >>> television and film actor george smith lindsey has died. if you watch television at any point in the past 40 years, chances are you've seen his work. he was simply known as goober to millions of fans. he was the dimwitted but loveable gas station mechanic on a show which originally aired in the 1960s. he appeared on maybury and on hee-haw. he died after a brief illness. he was 83 years old. >>> the french and the greeks are voting today and their decisions just might impact your money. ♪ wow... ♪ [ female announcer ] sometimes, all you need is the smooth, creamy taste of werther's original caramel to remind you that you're someone very special. ♪ werther's original caramels. [ roger ] tell

none approaches khalid sheikh mohammed's attacks. s he planned the 9/11 attacks for al qaeda. he will finally be arraigned for murdering 3,000 residents, saturday morning. >> we have to ensure that khalid sheikh mohammed and others, who are accused of these heinous crimes, are brought to justice. >> reporter: some families who lost loved ones in the attacks at the u.s. base in cuba for the hearing. it sets in motion, a military trial for khalid. and a live feed will be sent for other families to view. a few seats will also be open to the public. >> even if khalid pleads guilty. a key witness will be a man who graduated from owings mills high. and later joined al qaeda. majid chawn. >> this guy was in the center of things. he was part of a 14 high-grade terror suspects that the united states had isolated. >> to avoid his own possible death sentence, majid khan will testify against khalid. that's important. >> my expectation is that he's going to be a very valuable witness to the united states. >> reporter: because it could independentl

harsh interrogation : sufan says he he got information from sue bade da that led directly to khalid sheikh mohammedough s. to khalid sheikh mohammed, bill. >> bill: you contend is he not telling the truth here. >> i contend is he not telling the truth. and he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. >> bill: here now to reply is mr. sufan the author of the book black banners inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda. what say you? >> thank you for the opportunity to respond. >> bill: sure, absolutely. >> you know, mr. rodriguez is totally wrong here. as fbi agents we are trained to deal with facts. let's stick with the facts. >> bill: okay. >> he said on your show that enhanced interrogation techniques started in august of 2002. mr. padilla was arrested in may of 2002. it is physically impossible that information that arrested the alleged dirty bomber jose padilla. the information we got from mr. padilla the joint cia fbi team without the enhanced interrogation technique in april of 2002. ksm by us in ear