then there was the controversy over sheikh mohammed, khalid shamed mohammed. you wanted, what, to stop the waterboarding at that point. >> no i wanted to bring khalid sheikh mohammed to guantanamo out of the shadows. tell the people we had the mastermind of 9/11. the united states doesn't disappear people. >> bill: he didn't want that because he wanted to do it secretly. thought he would get more al qaeda. >> khalid sheikh mohammed was pretty much past his intelligence value we were told. >> bill: why didn't cheney in your opinion when you had this difference of opinion. i'm sure you listened to his point of view. >> i did, of course. >> bill: why didn't he want a public exposition of what mohammed had done and where he was going. >> i don't know. >> bill: he never told you. >> his view was once started down that rude would begin to unravel the entire operation. we still had some of the people that we needed for intelligence value. but my point to him and the president ultimately agreed is that we had done nothing to be ashamed of. >> okay. so he didn't want an

sheikh mohammed. >> in december of 2009, the united states attorney made a decision initially to extend khalid sheikh mohammed to trial in the southern district, yes. >> rose: did you look forward to that. >> we were called upon to undertake that enterprise and so we were ready to do it moo it has been the biggest trial of the century. >> we were ready to do it. >> rose: biggest trial of the century. >> as you know because it was unsealed within weeks our office working jointly with the u.s. attorney in the eastern district of virginia in that office procured an indictment against sheikh mohammed and others and for reasons outside of my pay grade and control, that did not happen. >> rose: not outside of your judgment was it a mistake would they have been better served if it was tried in the southern district of new york rather than in guantanamo? you know, the decision was made initially to bring him to the southern district and we were pleased to -- >> rose: the attorney general wanted to do that in the beginning? >> yes but, you know, the decision was ultimately made to send him and others to a mil