attorney general eric holder announced november 2009 that khalid sheikh mohammed, the planner of the 9/11 attacks would face trial. he would be treated like a terrorist, like the blind sheik had been treated, abdel al rahman, or zacarias moussaoui. they were all convicted in u.s. courts and are currently in prison at federal maximum security facilities across the country. we as a country have experience prosecuting, convicting, and housing for life very dangerous people, including international terrorism suspects. that's why thompson, illinois, had competition when they said they want these guys. that's why thompson, illinois, had to compete with places like hardin, montana, and standish, michigan when they decided to seek the relatively lucrative labor intensive business of locking these guys up in their maximum security prison. and that's why the city of new york initially greeted the news of khalid sheikh mohammed's forthcoming trial at the scene of his crime as not just justice, but poetic justice. and then we lost our nerve. what happened? the politics of the past administration

khalid sheikh mohammed. >> khalid sheikh mohammed, mastermind of 9/11 but what it shows is that we captured him and he is the guy, then, who as a result of the interrogation program and it wasn't just going after bin laden but it was -- he turned out to be a key source for the government. as a detainee he shed lights on al qaeda's strategic doctrine, on their plots, probable targets key operatives, likely methods of attack on the u.s. homeland. huge body of intelligence we got by capturing khalid sheikh mohammed and putting him through enhanced interrogation. >> rose: as you know, there's been some f.b.i. officials that said we have this information, some of the information that he divulged we had from other sources. >> well, he was telling us the truth. >> rose: but if you had the information beforehand, was it necessary? >> so we should have killed khalid sheikh mohammed? >> rose: i'm asking. >> i'm a big believer in the interrogation program. the point is -- >> rose: but i mean -- go ahead. >> k.s.m. was more than anybody else objected to enhanced interrogation techniques and more than a

they did not know how much khalid sheikh mohammed had told us about $50,000. d go and give him what we have heard from khalid sheikh mohammed and he thought we had given him all the information. he provided the names from there. it was very well done. the credit goes to the agency analysts and others who participated in the debriefing of his terrorists and wrote thousands and thousands of intelligence dissemination, which we would read every morning and were amazed at the information that was being disseminated. it was an incredible effort. >> this program gave us an enormous amount of information about al qaeda in pakistan. the administration continues to use the intelligence every day in drone strikes. it is not just actable intelligence but how they operate. since the program was shut down we have seen the emergence of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. we have had the emergence of al- shabab merging with al qaeda central. and al qaeda in africa. are we struggling in a way? the information we have on pakistan and the lack of information, is it harder to get

information provided by cia detainees, khalid sheikh mohammed about bin laden's courier being the lead information that eventually led to the location of bin laden's compound and the operation that led to his death. that's what rodriguez said. we said that statement is wrong. the original lead information had no connection to cia deta detaine detainees. the cia had significant intelligence on the kocourier. the pair provided falts and misleading information during their time in cia custody. now, my question to you is, are you aware of any intelligence information that supports mr. rodriguez's claim that the lead information on the courier came from ksm and al libi. >> i am unaware of any. >> next, michael hayden, former cia director said that, quote, what we got, the original lead information, began with information from cia detainees at black sites. chairman -- the chairman and i issued in the same statement the following, that the statement of the former attorney general, michael mukasey, was wrong. do you have any information to disagree with our statement? >> i do not. >> a third s

one case you had somebody -- >> khalid sheikh mohammed, we shouldn't have water board him.ad we used a drone, that would be okay? >> that's what got the intelligence out of him? i don't think it did. >> the secretary of defense said differently earlier this week. >> you're missing the point. this is a humanitarian effort. water board something to evil, you experience them from -- prehave not them from experiencing it by blowing them to piece. they would rather be dead. >> based on who their dad is. i pulled up the transport of robert gibbs being asked about the killing of al-awlaki's son and he said something about, well, basically to the chosen a better dad or it was because of who his dad was. that's the issue that you shake your head and you go, can he just do this with anybody depending on who their family is? that's what's so scary. >> coming up, can marco rubio save the american party? can can anyone save it? (speaking spanish) ♪ >> president obama, he's going to deliver his state of the union address on tuesday and marco rubio, senator from florida, has been tapped t

the disclosure arose in the ongoing pre-trial hearings for the alleged 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed, and four others. they insisted that the military never listens in on attorney- client conversations. defense attorneys have expressed doubts about that claim and say their clients' trials may have been compromised. the senate has voted to expand the scope of the land of violence against women act. the legislation affirms an earlier vote granting domestic bond protections to 30 million undocumented immigrants. lgbt people and native american women. 22 republicans voted against the measure, including marco rubio and rand paul. president obama has announced he has signed a new executive order to defend the u.s. from computer attacks overseas. the measure creates voluntary standards for network security and promotes information sharing with private companies that help run critical u.s. infrastructure. the order is part of a wide package of steps that includes the administration's self- declared right to launch a pre- emptive cyber military strike on targets should the white house deem it

. >> khalid sheikh mohammed funded the 9/11 attack. he has claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 bombings. >>> they were evacuated in august after a sinkhole appeared in a baton rouge bayou. it's over 300 feet in diameter. and 50 feet deep. in one corner, it goes down farther than 400 feet. experts believe it was caused by the collapse of a salt water cavern that is continuing to fall apart. >>> well, the number of young teen drivers killed in car accidents rises. in 25 states, including maryland. that is according to a report from the governor's highway safety association. four 16- to 17-year-old maryland drivers died in car accidents in the first half of 2012, compared to two in the same period in 2011. deaths of young drivers went up a combined 19% in the u.s. >>> well, today in healthwatch, breast cancer cases are growing among younger women. the findings are even more troubling because younger women tend to have aggressive cancer and lower survival rates. marley hall reports for wjz from new york. >>> more women are being d

. >> khalid sheikh mohammed i understand was waterboarded 183 times. did anyone care about that? >> i would have done exactly what bush did. >> you disappoint me. you know better. >> i would have dunked that guy in the water a thousand times to save your life. >> have you ever been water boarded? >> no, but ollie north has, and i talked to him about it. >> would you consent to be water boarded so we could get the truth out of you? >> sure. >> can we water board you? are you busy on sunday? >> i'll do it for charity. >> it's important to know that sean hannity never had the guts to be waterboarded. as for o'reilly, bottom line, he was dead wrong on both claims. o'reilly's gut told him, well, he had to say something. but what he said he did without checking the facts. and he was wrong. it's a pattern over at fox news. and it's starting to hurt their credibility. you see a new ppp poll shows 46% of voters do not trust fox news. that's at an all-time high. the american people know fox news is not fair and balanced. they are unreliable and wrong. >>> bill clinton, the secretary of pla

the suspects including accused 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed are jailed in camp 7, a maximum-security facility reserved for those formerly held in secret cia prisons overseas. all five of the men were held in such prisons abroad and reportedly tortured before arriving at guantanamo in 2006. defense lawyers had asked for permission to stay for two nights in cells next to their clients in order to witness conditions there. a judge rejected the request but said they can stay for up to 12 hours. we'll have more on guantanamo is we spend the hour with one of the first military officers assigned to prosecute prisoners there. nato leaders are reportedly considering a plan to continue funding an afghan security force of 352,000 troops for another four years, reversing previous plans to reduce afghan troop levels at the end of 2014. the cost of funding the current number of afghan security forces is roughly $6.5 billion per year, the bulk of its is provided by the united states. a plan backed by nato last year would have reduced the number of afghan security forces by roughly one third, cuttin

statement that the controversial cia program, which included the waterboarding of 9/11 architect khalid sheikh mohammedaved lives. brennan later said he had raised concerns within the cia about the program that critics label as torture. >> this was not a program that would normally be discussed between john and myself. but if he says that he talked to colleagues about it, and expressed reservations, i believe him. because this is is a very straightforward honest guy. >> current and former intelligence officials say brennan may have baggage but he does seem to be one of the most highly qualified people to lead the cia at this time, shep. >> shepard: catherine, thanks a lot. >> you are welcome. >> shepard: virginia could soon be the first state in the united states to ban most drones from its skies. lawmakers approved a two year moratorium saying that this could violate people's privacy. the bill does make exception for emergencies like searching for missing children. but no word on whether governor bob mcdonald will sign it last year he said letting police use surveillance drones would be the right thin

11 trial in manhattan in the southern district of new york, and the five co-defendants -- khalid sheikh mohammed and his four co-defendants -- would be tried under u.s. code in the federal courthouse. and there was a big political uproar about it. there was very little public and political support for what the attorney general wanted to do and, eventually, the obama administration decided to reassign those defendants to a military commission at guantanamo bay. but through that monthslong controversy there wasn't much exploration of what a military commission at guantanamo bay actually is. the debate pretty much, pretty much, pretty much boiled down to military courts are tough, civilian courts presumably are weaker, and given a choice about who you'd want to deal with alleged terrorists and enemies of the united states, well, it seems like you'd want the tough guys to deal with them. and there was not a lot of discussion about what military commissions are, how they operate, who runs them, those sorts of questions which i think are important for americans to consider when deciding whether this i

plot that provides them with a weapon that ultimately qualifies them for the sentence for khalid sheikh mohammed but ultimately it draws people in who had no capacity for the terrorism and said he wanted to bomb the courthouse in portland and the fbi provided him everything he would need, the bond he needed. he even paid his rent because he was about to be effected and now she's in court arguing and what we know is he is that the 11th arguing since 9/11 and if he succeeds she will be the first winning is low in part because when you argue entrapment the government has to prove that you're predisposed to commit the crime and the government is effective at doing since 9/11 is putting the government experts on the stand who say well he wants to see videos he is to commit a crime and the bar for the predisposition has been lowered in these cases that he watched the jihad of videos and that is ridiculous. you've probably seen a video and we are not going to commit acts of. >> that ultimately becomes evidence and that's why winning on entrapment is so difficult. it's not really if you look at the data

jon: khalid sheikh mohammed for instance. >> ramsey and abu zubaydah. jon: when you look at the drone strikes and numbed per of people who were killed it far surpasses. >> i support the president's drone policy. i think it's necessary. i think it's, it keeps americans safe. i think also it is legally grounded. but what you're going to see right now as the president get as second term, increasing challenge from the left-wing of his own party to some of these policies which so greatly mimic the policies of the bush administration. you're going to try to see you think some processed limits put on the drone program. for example, will we introduce judges into the, into the chain of command to be able to sign off and approve of a target list. that kind of thing has never happened in american history. jon: because right now the president essentially acts as judge, jury, and almost executioner? >> well, that's right. that's right. although within the legal framework they set out it is not a license to do that to anybody, jon. you have to have to be an al qaeda

ironically, the detention facility in guantÁnamo remains open and khalid sheikh mohammed and co-conspiratorsy to review the memos that form the basis of the white paper. a request was denied. when a president obama's first acts was to release the enhanced interrogation tapethat most of the public, but he now refuses to provide his justice department killing him is not just to the public on the bed even congressional overseers. we'll simply the justice department to testoverseers. we'll simply the justice department to testify today. that request was denied, too. according to appease one estimate, drone strikes have increased six fold under the obama administration, anywhere from 2500 to 4000 people have been killed a strikes. this administration is not just targeting foreign fighters, but american citizens as well. president obama ordered the killing of and were al-awlaki. they killed him and his 16-year-old son in a drone strike in yemen. america now knows the criteria used to dominate and americans for targeted killing. the way paper size for the legal framework for when the u.s. governmen

these high-value targets we picked up, when we picked up khalid sheikh mohammed and we quickly needed as much information as possible to avoid the second attack. people found out later, because the press was indefatiguable in their pursuit of the information about black sites, enhanced interrogation, jose rodriguez came on this show and talked about the information it yielded. democrats were unrelenting in condemning dick cheney and george bush. how could they possibly do such a thing? i sense a bit of hypocrisy and i look for republicans to be above the fray when it comes to the drone strikes and investigations being demanded. >>steve: when you look back -- and brian you perfectly set up what was going on in this nation in the mainstream media four years ago where they were saying george bush, you cannot used enhanced interrogation. >>brian: that is not what america does. >>steve: exactly right. this administration, we found out through a 15-page white paper that has been released -- nbc published it -- this administration and our government, rather than water board people, we kill t