. >> khalid sheikh mohammed orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. >> that's correct. >> this was before he was captured. he wanted to take down the brooklyn bridge, and he almost did snit. >> it certainly was plausible. we had security employed, and he said, quote, the weather was too hot. in other words, too much security. so he called it off. i think he was identified as a result of the questioning of khalid sheikh mohammed that went on in pack tan after -- pakistan after he was captured. >> let's talk about you as a kid. i actually knew this, you told the story when i was a kid, but i forgot about it. you were mugged and had some stuff stolen from you, and it was a major event in your life. >> i was 8 years old. i was with another boy in central park, we lived a block away, and we were grabbed by a group of kids, older kids, and our shoes were taken, a baseball bat was held, and, you know, they were much older than us. but it stayed with me, you know? i think it helped to sensitize me as far as victims are concerned and what it means. it was traumatic, and, you know, i was only 8 at the tim

khaled sheikh mohammed was the only person waterboarded once or twice. others once or twice, khalid a lot of times. important information was gleaned from him. some applied to finding osama bin laden. others made a contrary argument. to say that there was no information that helped forstall kind. >> this is not me saying this, to be clear. >> it's not the senate - the work. they are quoting from c.i.a. documents so it was the c.i.a. documents that were saying the programs didn't work. that's what the senate report talked about, how - what they were briefed, which goes to the point ambassador woolsey was making about oversight. you know, this started immediately after 9/11. or quickly after 9/11. and congress and even the president, according to the report, were being told this works. this is very effective, we are getting good information. what was happening inside the c.i.a. was the people doing it was producing records saying it was not working. >> would you agree with waterboarding if it meant catching abu bakr al-baghdadi? >> no, and the question is never whether it could produc

from suffering another attack after 3000 people had been killed in the first one came from khalid sheikh mohammederboarded and khalid sheikh mohammed produced information that is absolutely vital to saving more lives. let me say i appreciate your quaker heritage and salute your belief in peace. i am just firmly convinced the way you get to peace is through having a strong national security defense and policy. >> host: lynne cheney is the author of 13 books, scholar at the american enterprise institute in a richer at the national and down there for the humanities. this e-mail talks about them that we talked about earlier in the program but in case people weren't listening. mrs. cheney, dolly madison appears to have enough politically satisfied. is there any evidence she influenced her husband's ideas and thinking about the farm of our new government in creating the bill of rights and is the story about ali saving the white house relics when the british burned the white house true or just bludgeoned. >> guest: you know, i don't think dolly was a policy person. the answer is no. she wasn't telling j

from suffering another attack after 3,000 people had been killed in the first one came from khalid sheikh mohammedle who were waterboarded, and california leak shake mohammed produced information that was absolutely vital to saving more lives. let me just say, though, that i appreciate your quaker heritage and salute your belief in peace. i just am firmly convinced that the way you get to peace is through having a strong national security defense and policy. >> host: lynne cheney is the author of 13 books, she's a scholar at the american enterprise institute, she's the former chair of the national endowment for the human the cities. the e-mail, and kate repeats something that we talked about earlier in the program, but just in case people weren't listening then. mrs. cheney, dolley madison appears to have been a very highly intelligent, politically-savvy and active woman. is there any evidence that she influenced her husband's ideas and thinking about the form of our new government in creating the bill of rights, and is the story about dolley saving the white house relics when the british burned t