this is khartoum i'm talking about. they realliment to be taken off -- really want to be taken off the united states list of state sponsors of terror. they want to be in the big boys' club, and what's maddening about our peace meal approach so darfur and sudan is we never appreciate how much leverage we have, and instead we continue to send a signal of lack of seriousness by not implementing all of those u.n. resolutions that were passed way back in 2003 and 2004, the no-fly zone, you know, targeting the architects of genocide by freezing their access, a travel ban, all those things, and we've never turned the screw on that kind of thing. now we're in the absurd position that we actually have envoys from the u.s. going to the sudanese and saying, you know, if you -- if you continue not to kill so many people in south sudan and behave yourselves, we'll reward you by taking you off the list of state sponsors of terror. it's a completely wrong way of looking at this. they made those commitments in khartoum when they signed

this is khartoum i am talking about. they really want to be taken off the united states list of state sponsors of terror. they want to be in the big woods club. they don't like being pariahs. what is so bad and better suited piecemeal approach to both darfur were in sudan has been that we never appreciated how much leverage we have and instead we continue to signal our lack of seriousness by not implementing all of the u.n. resolutions that were passed way back in 2003, the no-fly zone, targeting the architects of the genocide that going after their bank accounts, freezing assets, almost those kinds of things that never turned the screw on that team. instead we are now in the absurd position that we actually have envoys from the u.s. going to the sudanese and saying, you know, if you continue not to kill so many people and behave yourselves, will reward you by taking you off the list of state sponsors of terror. it is a completely wrong way of looking at this. they made those commitments in khartoum when i found the comp

i've argued in the supreme court, i've hitchhiked from cairo to khartoum, i've counseled two presidents, identify served as the first black -- i've served as the first black governor of massachusetts on my first time running for office. but as i reflect on each of these experiences, each has its roots in the lessons i try to write about in this book. these lessons have given me a sense of the possible, and that has made all the difference. i write in the book about the transition from the south side of chicago to milton academy, about the experience of trying to bridge these very different worlds where each one seemed to demand that you reject the other as the price of acceptance in the one. and how important it was for me to understand, ultimately, that that was a false choice. i write about the way the old ladies in big hats in church back home taught me to see that faith is not so much what you say you believe, but how you live. i write about the extraordinary courage and strength of my wife, diane, through her first marriage to an abusive husband and the toll my early days in public

but in khartoum and jew be, incidentally, one feature of our cooperation, for the first time this leg of... sudan leg of the trip was co-led by russia and thunited states. jub be. and the pleasure of co-leading that effort together with ambassador susan rice. and... that particular moment turned out to be quite dramatic because nortrn troops moved into this ar of contention, oil-reach, allegedly, area of contention between the north and south and then we were in nairobi for a very interesting meeting where the entire political leadership of somalia because we couldn't make it to mogadishu for security reasons. but president, prime minister, and speaker of parliament of somalia were there at a very crucial moment, we believe, in the developments in somalia and we sent a very strong message for them that they need to put their act gether and wor together in order to keep improving the situation. >> rose: if the united states... if the united states can find ways to work with russia and russia can find a way to work with the united states, that offers enormous opportunity, doesn't it? >>

in may sudan's khartoum government sent forces into an area claimed by both sides. this month in the state of southern coredafon thousands of northern troops moved into the mountains to attack tribesmen. more than 70,000 civilians have fled the region to escape the fighting. the u.n.'s deputy high commissioner for human rights spoke monday in khartoum after traveling through sudan. >> what might become of the border area. (inaudible) >> warner: when they'll be able to return will be a tough tall given allegations of wanton killings there committed by the troops of sudanese president bashir. he is already under international indictment for alleged war crimes in car fewer. yesterday the u.n. security council voted to send 4200 ethiopian peacekeepers after both sides agreed to remove their troops. sudan's u.n. envoy insisted the peace keeping resolution can only set the stage for a longer lasting agreement. >> the troops, their presence there is interim. it's temporary. it's not a final or permanent. this resolution is not a substitute to the final settlement which we

then we went on to khartoum and jew be. >> rose: didn't the african union want to west to respond to libya? didn't they invite them respond? >> they... it was the arab league. it was the arab league. so the african union never got involved? i thought they said something. you would know better than i would. >> well, the african union after the rolution was adopted, the latest resolution, 1973, they tried to develop a diplomatic initiative. unfortunately they were snubbed, in the diplomatic initiative because that initiative did not include the immediate stepping down of colonel qaddafi. so there is a certain degree of unhappiness in the african union about that and there are some complaints about the way this resolution of the security council has not been strictly complied with. but in khartoum and jew be, incidentally, one feature of our cooperation, for the first time this leg of... sudan leg of the trip was co-led by russia and thunited states. jub be. and the pleasure of co-leading that effort together with ambassador susan rice. and... that particular moment turned out to be qui

i've argued in the supreme court, hitchhiked from cairo to khartoum and i've served as the first black governor of massachusetts on my first time running for office but as i reflect on these experiences, each has its roots in the lessons i try to write about in this book, these lessons have given me a sense of the possible and that has made all the difference. i write in the book about the transition from the south side of chicago to the milton academy about the experience of trying to bridge these different worlds where each one seems to demand that you reject the other as the price of acceptance into one and how important it was for me to understand ultimately that there was a false choice. i write about the way the old ladies and big hats in church back home taught me to see that faith is not so much what you say you believe that how you live. i write about the extraordinary courage and strength of my wife dhaka and through her first marriage to an abusive husband and the toll of my earlier days in public office and how her trials strength and not just me but thousands of others. ti