with khloe klux klan all around us in and that kind of thing but but this was the sixty's and things were tough and. but but i love the black people and love the black music in the loved southern so black music. such as a wreath of etta james wilson pickett mustang sound he's all those all those little hit records that you're familiar with i'm sure and a lot of people in the city get angry at you oh they they knew they knew very little about us because we kept the doors closed we kind of kept a hush hush than allow the press to come around and interview people and thanks like that so we didn't we didn't have any real hostility but we had a lot of questions you know those guys as long has hippies over there they must be selling dope or something because you know that's that's that's how you make a living and most of those you know it's not music business how did you get the music out of muscle shoals i mean you were producing it you didn't have your own label did you know not at first later on i had a label with capitol records through carl a woman and so you know that's still to know