on the left, the richest of all: mikhail khodorkovsky. >> (translated): i got the impression that he was a person of our generation. >> what do you mean by that, "of our generation"? >> (translated): our parents' generation, they have a totalitarian view, even if they're against it. as opposed to our generation-- we're closer to the west. >> narrator: khodorkovsky was concerned about a new u.s. anti-corruption law that would affect russian companies doing business in america. >> (translated): that forced the heads of companies who wanted to list their shares on the market to sign a disclaimer that they don't allow corruption practices within their companies. at the same time, by 2003, corruption was already the key method of state governance used by t bureaucrats, and bureaucrats started to demand the kind of money that was impossible to hide. one had to make a choice: build companies that are open and list them, or do business russian style-- in other words, pay bribes, receive privileges, but remain within a closed system. we decided the question was worth discussing. >> narrator:

palace coup, so to say, that most likely there will be liberals and there are people like mikhail khodorkovskyetting on this scenario. but then, there could be a scenario ofjust plain straightforward military defeat by ukrainians, and then it would be ukrainian soldier. but also, i would not exclude that mr putin would wave with his nukes above his head. then, there would be american troopers. very, very briefly. ilya ponomaryov, six years ago on this programme, you compared russia to germany in the 1930s. today, what are your thoughts? hitler's germany, stalin's russia? no, it's not stalin's russia. and frankly, it's not hitler's germany, but it's so close to it that, you know, to all practical senses, yes, it is hitler's germany. ilya ponomaryov, thank you for being on hardtalk. thanks for having me. hello there. there are some big changes in the weather pattern on the way, but notjust yet. on thursday, despite the haziness of the sunshine, temperatures reach 20 celsius in east yorkshire, the warmest place in the country. it's a few degrees cooler than that in northern ireland and across sco

palace coup, so to say, that most likely there will be liberals and there are people like mikhail khodorkovskynario. but then, there could be a scenario ofjust plain straightforward military defeat by ukrainians, and then it would be ukrainian soldier. but also, i would not exclude that mr putin would wave with his nukes above his head. then, there would be american troopers. very briefly, ilya ponomaryov, six years ago on this programme, you compared russia to germany in the 1930s. today, what are your thoughts? hitler's germany, stalin's russia? no, it's not stalin's russia. and frankly, it's not hitler's germany, but it's so close to it that, you know, to all practical senses, yes, it is hitler's germany. ilya ponomaryov, thank you for being on hardtalk. thanks for having me. hello there. we've had quite a prolonged run of dry and sunny weather. it's also been very warm for the time of year, with temperatures last week reaching as high as 21 degrees. this week, it's set to get a lot colder, cold enough for some of you to even see a little bit of snow later on in the week, would you believe

are now sitting there, and duets brains at first, these are all sorts of open forums russia and khodorkovskythis migration, which has now moved in the second wave, i don’t for some reason analysts believe and step on the same rake and when, by the way, these comrades say that we cannot dial the phone to look for the president. so don't do it like it's done, for example, in the united states, well, as if it's the absolute truth. by the way, i am against calling the west pirates. as a person who grew up as a captain, i remember well that the pirates were different, there were still pirates with the concept of honor. yes and the west is dishonorable. these are the captain's robbers. in e. i still want to believe it. and these are the robbers, these are the robbers ivan speech. you ask them someone asked yes interview leonid themselves, of course, because i myself have already spoken about this, i paid attention to this, that in the west dofiga. uh, comrades who are rich and against whom sanctions have been imposed, only they do not run themselves. yes, these two are running ahead. why because t

that worked for other purposes, created by networks, like from the network, we would have konoval khodorkovskydia have now become more active and are swinging absolutely unambiguous pointers, agreed together with the general washington plan, the main task. the destruction of russia to smash russia's squad of small subjects to deprive russia of any opportunity to approach nuclear weapons and forever finally end the theme of the existence of the russian people. listen to biden declare war on us. the struggle between democracy autocracy between freedom and the press between the world order based on rules and brute force. now in this struggle we must be aware that we will defeat me from behind or in a month, and we need to prepare ourselves for duty. message europe is that the new battle for freedom has already made several things crystal clear, first, europe must get rid of dependence on russian fossil fuels and we the us are ready to help. long-term interest in economic national security, as well as for the survival of the planet, we all need to move to clean renewable energy as quickly as possi

that's all the same you still remember khodorkovsky, who, just from the komsomol, held a considerablen there. what is his name, who was he called? i didn't hear them. well, they are people who do their own thing. a business. you know them, you don't mean that the society knows them, especially they don't want to know. and those who are engaged in a professional lot, whom do you know? it's a completely different approach right on. here you can, i need one more, so that at least someone else can say. today you yourself understand, i understand this last word, i ask a question. and you can, but there is no paradigm of the ninety-eighth year and even a little earlier than 7 years of banking, and the time after that has changed a lot, but you'll excuse me, then, but you don't have to put no marks. which one am i? well you just call them names. people who have long been in russia do not know anything about the polymer in our e, in past conditions, where and who set these people as an example. that's who, when these people set an example for the last time, and who? it is necessary for others

the power politics of russia since the early 2000s, since the incarceration of the energy baron khodorkovsky that's not really a very convincing story about how politics is made. if those people had been in charge, putin would never have launched his invasion of the ukraine. this is a policy that doesn't suit their interests. >> reporter: or the interests of their megayachts. but what about the rather larger interests of the global trading system? are we seeing a lasting reshaping of the world economy? >> we are seeing a lasting reshaping of the world economy, but i think this war is just part of a broader set of forces that are doing that reconfiguring of globalization. more fundamental or really, is the antagonism between the united states and china. i think we are going to see is globalization in a new key, if you like. the fact of the matter is that as this war is going on, as russia is shelling ukrainian cities, both ukrainians and europeans continue to consume its gas. so those connections are profoundly resilient. but no one is any longer going to pretend that that connection is going

khodorkovsky ended up in jail and annex from russia, as you mentioned a lot of these men have ended up trusted their lives to vladimir putin, and this is what he's doing with them. >> linette lopez, point taken. thank you so much for being with us. >> next, students in italy offer a hand literally to their new peers displaced by war. first, a preview of an exclusive interview we're gonna see tonight on ayman with a former prime minister of ukraine. >> you know, putin's problem is that he believes that he is a new missile. messiah. and neo-nazis that leader. and he believes that his mission is to respond to the soviet union, deliberate someone from somebody, to grab another part of ukraine, to undermine the united states. >> that's a conversation is straight ahead at 8 pm eastern on ayman. we'll be right back. ht back. (vo) small businesses are joining the big switch. save over $1,000 when you switch to our ultimate business plan for the lowest price ever. plus choose from the latest 5g smartphones. get more 5g bars in more places- switch to t-mobile for business today. ♪ everybody danc