kia starmer will make that a point. to look at dividing lines.ob has become a lot easier in the last couple of weeks. when boris johnson was prime minister, he was very unpopular at the end. his main attack against boris johnson was on competence and character. wrist trust -- liz truss has transformed the agenda. you have a similar gap between the two parties that you had a few years ago. that makes it easier for starmer. he can talk about policies. they are much more to the left. i think the public will be more prepared to give him that. >> i think it is a quite decent strategy. let's just avoid that. let's forget any of that. but there will be a lot of angry labor party members who want a clean house. they want reform. that will have an impact. >> at the conference they will probably keep it off the agenda if they can. publicly the labour party will say this was all in the past. it does still present practical problems. they are trying to make it as possible for him. those tend to be the people who go around and knock on doors. the party is in

. —— kia starmer. we parliament in which the snp are involved. -- kia starmer.appens in a _ involved. -- kia starmer. we will see what happens in a few - involved. -- kia starmer. we will i see what happens in a few minutes. thank you both very much. two conservative mps representing the two campaigns. that is the scene at the queen elizabeth ii conference centre, just across the road from westminster abbey, right at the heart of westminster, a stone's flow from downing street, where i'm talking to you now. the world's media are gathered there, along with members of the conservative party, along with ministers, cabinet ministers as currently stand, lots of them of course will be changing jobs and maybe even losing jobs, and some will be appointed for the first time, those backing liz truss especially harbouring high hopes of high office in the days ahead. we will be back here at the queen elizabeth centre for the announcement of the new leader of the conservative party and new prime minister very shortly. it will happen injust a minister very shortly. it will ha