my name's todd olson, i'm vice president for student affairs and, first, kieran is a great student.laughter] and, second, i just want to ask from your experience working with colleges and universities, i've heard some complimentary comments, we appreciate that, but what is it you think higher education just doesn't get or approaches in a way that's not optimal with regard to working with returning veterans? welcome your thoughts on that. >> it took me 19 years to get my bachelor's degree, so i'm taking this one. [laughter] what don't you get? where do i start? i think, first of all, i think one of the big problems that we make is -- and i've been in a lot of meetings like this where people say every veteran's got to get an education. well, it's hard. you've got a family of four and you've served eight years, it's hard to go back to work. so extending the benefits that you extend to veterans to spouses and children. >> yes. >> that's where i've got to start. because that's a huge gap in our education. i mean, the more spouses webbed get into the teaching -- we could get into the teac