one is the main opposition party leader, mr kilicdaroglu.urse, the mayor of istanbul, mr imamoglu, who actually has been convicted of a crime. which means he is facing a almost three year prison sentence, albeit he is appealing... stephen, i'm like, who isn't convicted in turkey? so, yeah, he's one of them. he's out on appeal, but he does face that sentence, and he also faces the possibility he'll be barred from politics for the duration of that sentence. so, is he a credible candidate? i think right now what they are trying to do, this coalition, is to come together to form a programme rather than push the leader. and the leader, i'm not sure the leader, who is the leader, will be so important in this case. yes, it is important, of course. . .- in a country which has been dominated by one man... absolutely. for pretty much two decades, you're telling me that the identity of his key challenger doesn't really matter? stephen, you told me that the death toll is 40,000. the death toll is expected to be 200,000. so, right now, we do not have the