and then indeed tuesday there is konstantin kilimnik in new york city. specifically at jared kushner's family building, 666 fifth avenue, he and manafort at a cigar bar and delivering whatever the russian oligarch's messages were for trump's campaign chairman. it has to do about the future of his country. and the future of ours presumably. two weeks later, ken vogel ran his konstantin kilimnik profile in politico.com. the very next day manafort resigned from the trump campaign. when we got the sentencing of the surprise character in the mueller investigation, alexa cappa vander zwaan, he gets convicted. he will soon go to prison for lying to prosecutors. one of the things he lied about was his contact with konstantin kilimn kilimnik. the special counsel's office gave us more detail on kilimnik in court, asserting in the alexa cappa van der zwaan case, that not only is konstantin kilimnik known to have a previous association with russian military intelligence, but in 2016, the fbi, still quote assessed him to have ties to a russian intelligence service. s

kilimniking is an old colleague of manafort who the mueller investigation identified as a russian spy. manafort e-mailed him about his work on the trump campaign asking how do we use -- ovd manafort owed millions. officials were frank about their decisions. one member saying in every possible way we will avoid irritating the top american officials we shouldn't spoil relations with this administration. here to help me, juliaoff if i and david ignatius associate editor of the "washington post." david, let me start with you. back when the u.s. started selling these javelins to ukraine, something the government had been seeking for awhile which the obama administration had not done, there was a lot of kind of head scratching that it was very different than the posture the u.s. intended to take on matters about russia or that russia opposed. what did you make of it at the time and what do you make of it now? >> my sources have been saying today that "the new york times" story is absolutely right. at least in the mind of the ukrainian officials, the sale of the javelins and stepping back fr