kilimnik further share that information. the committee had limited insight into konstantin kilimnik communication with paul manafort and that the communication between konstantin kilimnik and other individuals was unclear. in other words, these guys all hughes encrypted language, so we don't have any visibility. we don't know what konstantin kilimnik did when the trump campaign gave him their secret internal information, we don't know who he passed it on to, because we don't have any visibility visibility. that is what they are saying. but now currently we know. and i don't know why the biden administration chose to disclose this today. this was not really the subject on their announcement today. but the biden administration through this sanctions-less announced that konstantin kilimnik is under a diamond in this country, there is a 250,000 dollar reward for him, he is newly-sanctioned now for his role in the kremlin 2020 russian interference, but by the way, we also figured out what was going on there between him and the tr

kilimnik's hands. that's something in a campaign very few staffers have access to because it is so important. so it does team that at least in some measure, the russians were interested in perhaps trying to help the trump campaign. now what exactly they did with that data remains unclear, but if they used it perhaps it doesn't take too much of an inference or leap to suggest that maybe the data was used for their own ad campaigns. we know how they dom barded social media in 2016. we know the social misinformation campaign. we know if they had access to that they could more finely target their own efforts. so this is a significant development, and it comes, nicolle, certainly as this new administration, the biden administration takes a much harder line with russia in terms of sanctions, in terms of pushing back putin, warning him about the buildup in ukraine and human rights, especially alexey navalny, reportedly in poor health right now in a russian prison. >> clint, i want to read you the two investig

konstantin kilimnik is a major figure in what russia did to try to put donald trump in the white house. and here he is again, four years later, in the 2020 election, with u.s. intelligence saying he again played a starring role, a leading role, an important role in the kremlin's efforts to mess with yet another u.s. election to try to make sure donald trump would stay president. and today, the biden administration announced a whole new raft of sanction on dozens of individuals and entities in response to russia's 2020 id election interference. and they announced the expulsion of russian spies from d.c. and from new york. and they announced these nn interesting new financial sanction that essentially ban people in the united states from investing in russia, in buying government bonds, which is both a substantive thing in its own t right, and if things get worse, it might be a first step to more broadly cutting russia off from international financial markets which can be economically deadly for even big countries, even countries that float on a sea of oil like russia does. the biden admi

now they're saying he, kilimnik, gave this directly to russians. dotting the is and crossing the ts. it does in congressman ted lu's mind show the russians in fact received information they then used to help the trump campaign, but that doesn't necessarily make any criminal conspiracy actionable in u.s. courts. >> so it does at least sound like perhaps a new chapter but not necessarily closing the book entirely. >> correct. it's definitely important information because it does show that manafort was giving stuff to kilimnik, which kilimnik gave to russian intelligence, which then russian intelligence presumably used in its attacks on the 2016 presidential campaign. so there is a direct line from manafort to the russian, interference with the u.s. election. it's whether or not that's a criminal conspiracy charge, and in some sense, fred, it's a little bit beside the point. what really is the most overarching point is that information from the trump campaign found its way to the russians, who then in turn apparently used that information in their eff

when did we know what kilimnik did with that information? >> yeah. >> when did the united states of america intelligence services know that? was that during the trump administration? was that suppressed by them? >> especially when the senate intelligence committee said just last year, we don't know anything about what kilimnik did or who he talked to because we didn't have any visibility at all in his communications. is it -- do we newly have this information because of some new capability that gives us visibility into something that we previously couldn't see, or did some part of the government know this under trump and they didn't feel safe saying it until trump was gone? it's just -- >> mm-hmm. >> it's such a bombshell, and it's so fascinating that they released it in this specific way today. i'm -- i am -- i am totally, totally riveted by this story. >> yeah, and there are those -- there's two possible dimensions, right, to the trump suppression of information. they had it. the president knew they had it. the president basically suppress

when did we know what's konstantin kilimnik did with that information? when did the united states know that? was it during the trump administration? ? was it suppressed by them? >> especially when the intelligence committee said just last year, we don't know anything about what he did and who he talked because we did not have any visibility at all in this communication. do we knew we have this information because of some new capability that gives us visibility into something that we previously could not see? or did some part of the government know this, under trump, and they did not feel safe saying it until trump was gone? it is such a bombshell it is so fascinating that they released it in this specific way today. i am totally riveted by the story. >> there are two possible dimensions to the trump suppression of information. they had, the president knew they had, the president basically suppressed it. donald trump suppressed it himself. or, they had it, they suppress did themselves at the bureaucratic level, afraid of letting it go up to donald trump.

explain why this reporting on konstantin kilimnik matters so much.e can pull up this graphic to understand what we learned yesterday. they said, quote, kilimnik provided russian services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy during the 2016 presidential campaign. kilimnik received those internal materials from then-trump campaign chairman paul manafort and his deputy rick gates, according to special counsel robert mueller's report. the report said gates repeatedly transferred internal data throughout 2016 at manafort's direction. what does this say? >> thaey've been wrong all alon and now we know that more clearly. the investigation was opened to determine if there was an improper or illegal relationship between the campaign and the government of russia. we knew that the government of russia did things to help the cam campaign, right? they hacked into the dnc, they hacked into prominent democratic leaders eyre e-mails and released those e-mails to benefit the campaign of donald trump in 2016. the question is did the campaign do

he was working with kilimnik.sing him the polling information, and when it came down to it, kilimnik clammed up. all the things we know about manafort and manafort was unable to do it. because of all the crazy stuff that donald trump did, this got, i think, overshadowed by a lot of the other outrageous things that happened during the coup attempts chief among it. i don't think we can lose sight of just how outrageous the manafort pardon was. >> look at the list of topics we have handled just tonight. what does it say about our world in 2021? we are so happy to have these two guests to do so, however. eddie glaugh jr., tim miller, thank you. please come back often. >>> the questions that keep coming about the impact and availability of these superb covid vaccines that are on their way to americans' arms. rption om and phosphate - helping keep teeth strong, white and protected from sensitivity. new pronamel mineral boost retirement income is complicated. as your broker, i've solved it. that's great, carl. but we nee

that's his ally konstantin kilimnik. >> manafort may have sent kilimnik internal proprietary polling data. >> we don't know exactly what the polling data was. >> this is believed to be something valuable. >> it's impossible to tell. >> what he was doing with kilimnik during the campaign speaks much more to the question of whether or not there is a chance that, in fact, he did help the russians in their effort or not. >> and now the united states says he did. so short question, then a long one. andrew, the short question, did you, as the top manafort prosecutor working hand in glove with bob mueller, know this then? >> absolutely not. none of us did. >> so that's big. >> we were actually -- yeah. >> yeah. now it's known. so you didn't know it then. you go through all of this. walk us through what this means now that, a, you didn't have the evidence of it at the time, but manafort knew what he did. was he continuing to conceal this to the end to conceal trump, putin or both. and was this not furnished to you in the mueller probe? >> so the answer your first question, it is important to

and now we know that it ended up from kilimnik into the hands of the russian intelligence services.dent said, was that this never happened and there was no connection between his campaign and the russians. and now, according to the intelligence services, the u.s. intelligence services, yes, there was. >> as you say, this closes that crucial gap, that it got from kilimnik to the russian intelligence services. so the biden administration has these sanctions and they're going to cause real pain. how severe are they really? >> we know it's going to cut off the u.s. financial firms from trading in russian bonds directly from the russian government. they could have gone a lot further. this could have been a lot worse. they could have, for example, cut off all access to u.s. dollar financial access. and so that would have been a lot more severe. they didn't go that far. >> evan, thank you very much. >>> next, a final farewell to a capitol police officer killed in the line of duty. "what if i could retire sooner?" and so she'll get some advice from fidelity, and fidelity will help her explo

now designating konstantin kilimnik, which we already knew. but now the u.s. intelligence is acknowledging publicly for the first time that kilimnik gave that information to russian intelligence. you've gotten a lot of heat, frankly, for suggesting there was proof of conspiracy or collusion, that mueller did not definitively prove. what do you make of this announcement? >> i think it's just further evidence of the fact that the trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, was giving internal campaign polling data and strategic information to an agent of russian intelligence. i think if that were something done by a democratic presidential administration, i think republicans would universally say that's exactly what collusion is. it doesn't matter what party is responsible. that kind of unethical, immoral conduct, unpatriotic conduct ought to be condemned. it's a direct link between the trump campaign giving that information at a time when the russians were engaged in trying to help trump win through this social media campaign, in which that very data given to russi

once manafort gave it to kilimnik it was a mystery. according to the new government document, it went directly to russian intelligence services. and so they kind of complete the connection of the information going effectively to the kremlin. >> so the obvious question is, the mueller report, they just talked about how kilimnik gave it to russian and ukrainian old gash that's he worked for -- oligarchs that he worked for. did he not know the detail, was it redacted? do you know? >> we still need to figure out that. we know that the picture about kilimnik and, frankly, the whole story has evolved over time. now mueller, the mueller report is now two years old. and there's a subsequent report by the senate intelligence committee that had more information about kilimnik and his ties to russian intelligence. and that came out last summer. now here we are some months later, and it's possible that this picture has just evolved that, you know, they've gathered information, perhaps they just had access -- have more access to information and sou

konstantin kilimnik was using other ukrainian-affiliated individuals who had ties as well to kilimnik like rudy giuliani and members of congress in the 2016 election. the same cast of characters simply got fast forwarded into the 2020 election cycle. i think they were less destructive because quite frankly our intelligence community did a better job in 2020. but we ought to have, again, not only better intel, but we ought to pass a common sense piece of legislation i put forward that says if a foreign government in a presidential campaign offers you assistance or their agents offer you assistance, the appropriate response ought to be, not thank you. it ought to be, call the fbi p. i've got to let you go, but is this collusion when you have it from trump campaign officials to russian officials. is that collusion? >> we put out five volumes, much more comprehensive than the mueller report. i would encourage any american who wants to get to the bottom of what happened in 2016 to read those bipartisan reports. >> senator mark warner, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> breaking new

when did we connect the dots from manafort to kilimnik to moscow? this was already known but was super classified during the mueller investigation, or did we find that more recently? tonight nbc news has a little more about that quote, the u.s. intelligence community has developed a new information about konstantin kilimnik whom they call a russian spy that leads them to believe that the associates chairmen paul manafort past internal poll and strategy information to russian services, two u.s. officials say. they did not disclose when or how the u.s. came into possession of the new intelligence about kilimnik, including whether not the information was developed during the trump or biden administration. officials did not identify the source or type of intelligence that had been developed, and quote. just a little more there but not enough to answer the big burning questions. we will be right back with more. stay with us. with us did they brave mother nature... and walk away stronger? did they face the unknown, with resolve...and triumph. ♪♪ there's s

since then, the senate intelligence committee came out and said flatly that konstantin kilimnik is asuspected. and this report says konstantin kilimnik passed along that polling data to russian intelligence agencies who were behind the interference in the election. this polling data in theory could have been used to help guide their efforts to, for instance, target voters with disinformation through social media or other tactics that they used. that's the question we don't know right now. that's certainly the implication of this. it completes the knot a little bit. we didn't know for sure that kilimnick had given this data to russian intelligence agencies, and now we know that. that's an important development. >> a "new york times" piece writes, having the polling data would have allowed russia to better understand the trump campaign strategy including where the campaign was focusing resources at a time when the russian government was carrying out its own efforts to undermine donald j. trump's opponent. we know that was hillary clinton. but can you sort of get practical on me here, h

kk, konstantin kilimnik. confirmation of the role he played. >> so he's friends with paul manafort and rick gates. this lays out what bob mueller didn't get to in his investigation. draws that straight line. i guess the question is, why was paul manafort feeding campaign internal documents, internal polling information to a russian operative to be passed back to the russian government? >> well, you'll remember in the mueller report that paul manafort owed money to oleg derapashka, a metals magnate, and i believe the phrase he you'd, how do we get whole with oleg? well, one way to get whole with him is to feed sensitive voting information. konstantin kilimnik's educational background suggests he's an officer of the gru, russia's military intelligence agency. and the gru was the organization that did that infamous hack and leak campaign against the dnc. there is no way, there is absolutely zero chance that paul manafort did not know konstantin kilimnik was a russian political officer. because one of the politic

that happened today, wolf, is that the treasury department announced sanctions against konstantin kilimnik, ukrainian businessman in business with paul manafort, former chairman of the trump campaign, and the allegation has been that paul manafort passed along the internal polling data from the trump campaign to kilimnik and then, of course, that information went to the russian intelligence services. for the first time we're seeing the treasury department saying that is exactly what happened and that is a big deal. not even the mueller investigation established that clearly. so, the idea that this information is now being put out really tells us that there's something else that's happened that's made the u.s. government more sure that this is what happened. >> very significant statement, indeed. kaitlan, when you compare today's actions by president biden against russia, for what we had grown accustomed to during the trump administration, the difference is very stark, very clear. right? >> it is pretty stark.y that yo biden talking about this. he's not saying that we're just going to ignor

he was working with kilimnik, he was helping him with polling information and when he came to get allhe information about this in 2017, paul manafort clamped up. and the two people that could actually connect all the dots from everything that we know out there between trump and people in russia is manafort. what manafort did was in the most literal sends treason. because of all the craziest of the donald trump did, -- i think this overshadowed all the outrageous things that he did. but i don't think that we can lose sight about just how outrageous the manafort pardon was. >> look at the list of topics we have handled just tonight, what does it say about our world in 2021. we are so happy to have these two guests to do so however. professor eddie glaude jr., tim miller, gentlemen, always a pleasure. thank you and please come back early and often. coming up for us, some answers to the questions that keep coming about the impact and availability of these superb covid vaccines that are on their way to americans arms. their way to americans arms. then they get release back into the air, so

konstantin kilimnik, you may remember that name.received polling data and campaign information, and he then handed it off to two russian services. he then said it was ukraine, not russia, interfering in the 2016 election, something we heard from donald trump himself. kilimnik also interfered in the 2020 election, but they don't say how. poppy, i just have to add in the last few minutes we have heard from the kremlin. they have said that it is positive that biden wants to work toward what biden has called a more stable and predictable relationship, but the spokesman for putin also called these sanctions unacceptable. poppy? >> thank you, alex marquardt in washington with all of that reporting. of course we are staying on top of the breaking news. a deadly shooting in indianapolis overnight has left eight people dead this morning, another hospitalized. what we're learning this hour, next. they guide me with achievable steps that give me confidence. this is my granddaughter...she's cute like her grandpa. voya doesn't just help me get t

it was given to him by 2016 trump campaign manager paul manafort, a long time associate of kilimnik's theories promoting the idea that ukraine, not russia interfered in the 2016 election, an unfound unfounded idea picked up by president trump. >> how come the fbi never got the server from the dnc. the server, they say, is held by a company whose primary ownership individual is from ukraine. >> reporter: for the first time today the u.s. also named the russian intelligence agency behind the unprecedented cyber attack known as the solar winds hack uncovered late last year. a sophisticated campaign into at least nine u.s. federal agencies and around 100 companies. cracking down on russian intelligence, the biden administration sanctioned six technology companies connected to them. and announced it would kick out ten russian diplomats from the embassy in washington, including known spies. one issue where russia was not punished is for the reported bounties that russia put on the heads of american troops in afghanistan. reports that biden used during the campaign to blast trump. >> as pres

intelligence community has developed new information about konstantin kilimnik, whom they call a russian spy that leads them to believe the associate of ex-trump campaign chair paul manafort passed internal campaign polling and strategy information to russian intelligence services, two u.s. officials say. the official did not disclose when or how the u.s. came into possession of the new intelligence about kilimnick including whether or not the information was developed during the trump or biden administrations. the officials did not identify the source or type of intelligence that had been developed, end quote. so just a little more there, but not nearly enough to answer some big, burning questions. >>> we'll be right back with more. stay with us. it's a dark, lonely place. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. emptiness. a hopeless struggle. the lows of bipolar depression can disrupt your life and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms, and in

thursday as a part of those russian sanctions that were announced specifically against konstantin kilimniko is ukrainian russian born and who had worked with paul manafort, of course, former president trump's campaign chairman in part for 2016 and what this treasury release said, quite explicitly was they believe paul manafort passed campaign and polling data to kilimnik who then passed that along to the russians so essentially working as a russian intelligence officer, and the reason that that is notable is that the mueller report and investigation in 2019 never went that far. of course, it was investigating collusion, but it didn't come to that conclusion, and neither did a bipartisan senate report, so the fact that now you do have the biden administration's own treasury department acknowledging this linkage is, of course, very notable and interesting for a couple of reasons. but what we don't know about this and what we need to be very careful about, yasmin, is we don't know whether this new intelligence was developed under the trump administration or if it's something new that has happ

konstantin kilimnik was sanctioned today for attempting to help influence the 2020 election on russia's behalf. biden isn't punishing russia for allegedly putting bounties on u.s. soldiers after officials said they only have low to moderate confidence in the intelligence. >> it's challenging to gather this intelligence and this data. this information really puts the burden on russia. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, biden criticized former president trump for not taking action on those same alleged bounties. >> he's putin's puppy. he still refuses to even say anything to putin about the bounty on the heads of american soldiers. >> reporter: national security adviser jake sullivan said president biden wanted to take action against russia without escalating tensions. >> his goal is to provide a significant and credible response but not to escalate the situation. he believes that the united states and russia can have a stable and predictable relationship. >> reporter: the kremlin has yet to respond to biden's invitation for a face-to-face meeting. >> the invitation remains open, and we

no, i didn't accidentally swear or disclose classified information while talking about konstantin kilimnik tonight. i don't have any classified information. who would trust me with it? all right. that's going to do it for us tonight. >>> good morning, i'm kacie hunt. we start with breaking news. there has been another mass shooting in america. this time in indianapolis. police say at least eight people are dead after a gunman open fired at a fedex facility near the airport. they also say the gunman took his own life. at this point police did not say whether or not the shooter was an employee of the facility, but an investigation is under way. >> it's very heartbreaking. the officers responded, came in, did their job. and a lot of them are trying to face a sight no one should ever have to see. >> we're aware of the tragic shooting at our fedex ground facility near the indianapolis, indiana airport. we are cooperating with investigating authorities. we're going to follow this all morning and we'll bring you any new developments as we learn them. >>> let's go now to new polling on gun reform

the biden treasury department confirming a russian agent constantine kilimnik, a long-time friend paul on information from the trump campaign to the kremlin. it closes the loop on the question of collusion as well as coordination. not only that we know that ukrainian politician andre dirkosh was a russian agent all along despite being lauded by trump's lawyers and loyalists. that's in addition trump repeating and retweeting russian information designed to help him reelect. it didn't work. it was exacerbated by the big lie. putin's goal was selling the seeds of distrust between fellow citizens and ignoring fact and fiction. well, it may feel strange to go about trump's what about-ism calling putin a killer. we see the party's roles reversed. now america will need to defer the deterred putin's latest moves on ukraine and punish the kremlin if navalny dies in prison and we will see if they remember to stand up to russian dictators or continue to take dictation from the deeply compromised donald trump. that your reality check. >> i have to say i feel after an orgy of what about-ism, you mi

now the treasury department by going after kilimnik, calling him essentially an agent of foreign intelligencency, identifying and validating that he had turned over paul manafort, trump's campaign manager had turned over key data to this foreign intelligence asset means that there was collusion between the trump campaign and russian intelligence. the question is now, are we going to find out whether it goes further than manafort? >> malcolm and frank, thank you both so much. >>> next, trump may have left washington, but his racist dog whistling remains through far-right members of his party. what we know about this "america first" caucus coming up. >>> plus, president biden set a date to get our troops out of afghanistan. congressman ruben gallego weighs in. o the moon. it doesn't ring the bell on wall street. or disrupt the status quo. t-mobile for business uses unconventional thinking to help you realize new possibilities. like our new work from anywhere solutions, so your teams can collaborate almost anywhere. plus customer experience that finds solutions in the moment. ...and first-class

konstantin kilimnik was sanctioned today for attempting to help influence the 2020 election on russia'salf. biden isn't punishing russia for allegedly putting bounties on u.s. soldiers after officials said they only have low to moderate confidence in the intelligence. >> it's challenging to gather this intelligence and this data. this information really puts the burden on russia. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, biden criticized former president trump for not taking action on those same alleged bounti bounties. >> he's putin's puppy. >> reporter: national security advisor jake sullivan said president biden wanted to take action against russia without escalating tensions. >> his goal is to provide a significant and credible response, but not to escalate the situation. he believes that the united states and russia can have a stable and predictable relationship. >> reporter: the kremlin has yet to respond to biden's invitation for a face to face meeting. >> the invitation remains open and we believe it would be a good step forward. >> reporter: u.s. officials are also keeping an eye on

now the treasury department by going after kilimnik, calling him essentially an agent of foreign intelligence identifying and validating that he had turned over paul manafort, trump's campaign manager had turned over key data to this foreign intelligence asset means that there was collusion between the trump campaign and russian intelligence. the question is now, are we going to find out whether it goes further than manafort. >> malcolm and frank, thank you both so much. >>> next, trump may have left washington, but his racist dog whistling remains through far-right members of his party. what we know about this america first caucus coming up. >>> plus, president biden sets a date to get our troops out of afghanistan. congressman rube gallego weighs in. years, we trusted it to carry and protect the things that were most important to us. (mom) good boy. (mom vo) we always knew we had a lot of life ahead of us. (mom) remember this? (mom vo) that's why we chose a car that we knew would be there for us through it all. (male vo) welcome to the subaru forester. the longest-lasting, most trusted fore

manager, paul manafort passed internal polling data to a known russian intelligence agent, konstantin kilimniktelligence shep, we also got reaction from the russian spy service today, the svr called the white house allegations that it was behind the solar winds hack nonsense and wind baggery, but of course they would say that, wouldn't they, shep >> yes, they definitely would. eamon javers, thank you so much. >>> the insurrection now, the official watchdog for the capital police told lawmakers today that an order barring officers from using their most powerful riot control weapons compromised the capitol on january 6th. >> it certainly would have provided the department a better posture to repel these attackers. it would put them in a better position. >> michael bolton said officers were not told to use those weapons because they could have been life threatening, but he said that's true with all police weapons, and the take away here, officers should have been properly trained to use them >> training deficiencies put the officers, our brave men and women, in a position not to succeed. >> a rep

that's a part of the disinformation campaign and also the alleged interaction between kilimnik and some officials linked to the trump campaign. so with what we have often heard from the democrats from the biden officials during the past years, certainly about the collusion or whether there was any, there an assessment of confidence he was behind a significant amount of that misinformation of that attempted interference in our elections. so a big name that jumped out to all of us for sure. >> indeed, live for us there, i know you will stay on too much of these developments, bring us anything as you get them. appreciate it. >>> coming up, more from minneapolis as he headed the 14th, potentially the last day of testimony in the derek chauvin trial. before that, a couple other things to get to. the inspector general set to testify hours from now for capitol police on his scathing report that shows police actually ignored security warnings ahead of the january 5th riots. >>> plus, we are minutes away from a house hearing where dr. fauci and other top public health officials will talk about p

phil, did we get any more information on the sanctions against konstantin kilimnik and the treasury departmentation on to the russians? i know that was an investigation by mueller, by the intelligence committee. anything more we know now that we didn't know then? >> it had been assumed, katy, that back in the trump administration, that polling data, that information that had been shared was, in fact, passed along to the russian intelligence agencies but never quite confirmed. we now have confirmation from u.s. intelligence that the u.s. believes that information was, in fact, shared with russian intelligence agencies which just speaks to the degree with which russia was trying to influence the 2016 presidential election. >> peter, we do expect to hear from president biden at some point on yet another mass shooting, this one in indianapolis. any more on that? >> reporter: we heard the white house putting out a statement earlier today expressing condolences to the families of those who have lost their lives. as you noted in this broadcast, this is one of a series of mass shootings we've witnesse

saw in these new sanctions that came out from the biden white house that essentially konstantin kilimnikith paul manafort, he is a ukrainian russian, and he has been linked to russian intelligence and it's the treasury department saying explicitly that this was because they believe he gave via paul manafort the russians information about campaign and polling strategies. this is the first time. now we are able to report that u.s. officials essentially are citing new evidence and intelligence that brought them to this conclusion. that's why they were able to go further than what they had said in prior reports. what is interesting here also is that we don't know whether this intelligence was developed under the trump administration and not revealed or under biden administration. the treasury department declined to comment on that. this is notable given the intelligences between u.s. and russia and that president biden has invited president putin to a summit later this summer. unclear whether the russians will accept the invitation. >>. >>> next, could medical expertsing closing in on a reas