i mean, killa mike and t.i. both spoke at that news conference. and they love their city. how much do their words matter, in the community? >> well, i think the people out in the streets are certainly not hearing the message, right? people are not hearing that message because they are out doing direct action and being active. i would say that the messages coming from t.i. and killer mike and many others, including the mayor keisha lance bottoms. i think the message they are supposed to be getting from those folks. but also something i think we have to consider is like how are people feeling? we talk a lot about anger but i don't think we talk about fatigue and exhaustion. and i think a lot of people out in these demonstrations and people that aren't in the demonstrations as well, that are at home talking about them or whatever, are tired. i can say, personally, it is exhausting to be black in this country, especially in a time like this. and i think that a lot of the people we are seeing in the streets that are being active, that are upset that you see in these demonstrati