and i've also read the commission's -- or at least sergeant kilshaw's response, you know, identifying what i think is -- what i think is, to me, the compelling information that kind of guides my view of this, which is i don't think there was any intent upon any of the commissioners, the police commission, to hold a meeting in secret. [inaudible] >> commissioner hamasaki: i understand. however, i do think that through the actions of people outside of this body, we did violate the sunshine ordinance, and i think the task force's findings. that doesn't mean -- i know some people really want this to be a time where we're going to recall a vote of tasers. that doesn't mean that that's the conclusion, and there's no -- or at least i haven't been presented with any authority that we're obligated to, even if everybody up here agrees with me, that's not how the ordinance and the task force works. i will echo commissioner dejesus dejesus' concerns, which are that tasers are a lethal weapon. we all understand that. we have learned, you know, since the policy passed since the initial vote that we

limit public comment to two minutes and i would like to start off with an acknowledgement of sergeant kilshaw who has served this commission -- i actually don't know how long. it's been as long as i've been here. i think three years. >> i think she'll change her mind. >> tonight is your last night in uniform serving the commission and i wanted to thank you for the tremendous work you've done and the tremendous work you still do. i know we've talked about you staying on in a similar capacity but without uniform and without being a full-time employee of the department and i look forward to that but i want to thank you tremendously for the work you do. >> clerk: thank you. >> i think we have to vote on that. none of us agree. >> i have a position and you can come every wednesday and continue. >> how can i pass that up? >> i was going give you three minutes of public comment just to sweeten it. >> don't start. >> clerk: thank you commissioners and to the whole commission and department. it's been an honor to serve the commission and be assigned here and i really enjoyed the work i did and think a

limit public comment to two minutes and i would like to start off with an acknowledgement of sergeant kilshaw who has serd

. >> good morning, supervisors, my name is rachel kilshaw, and i'm here on behalf of commissioner alias, and ask that you consider her for reappointment to the police commission. i'm a fifth generation san franciscoan, and still live with my city here. i recently retired from the san francisco police department after 28 years. and during the last three years with the department, i was assigned to work at the police commission office. i have known commissioner alias since she joined the police commission last year. she was appointed by the board of supervisor to fill the seat that was vacated by then president termon's sudden passing, and she certainly had big shoes to fill. over the past year, she has definitely risen to the occasion. she has taken her role on the police commission very seriously, and she has worked diligently on all of the matters under the police commission's authority, from adopting the policies that officers follow to handling police officer discipline, and overseeing the implementation of the u.s. d.o.j.'s 272 recommendations far the s.f.p.d. i know her to be fair,

also, will provide sergeant kilshaw with a -- with a copy to the body of the minutes in the public commentsection. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you. any other public comment on items 3-a through d? good evening. >> good evening. magic altman. when i see police talking to citizens, i go over. so i other day, i -- the other day, i saw a black man in handcuffs on a cold and wet floor, obviously in mental distress. i asked if he was okay, and he could not respond. he was incoherent. the other officer came over and talked with me, and i discussed with him how i'm really sorry this is not your job, because what we need is not more police officers but mental health officers. in fact he would like when a call comes in that there be a mental health group listening to those calls and they would go first. or if necessary, if there's a fear of violence, the police would go as backup. but this is not what is happening. so we don't need more officers, we need a mental health team, which, by the way, rupa maria and the group at ucsf would love to help create, so this idea of more police is not t