discuss the report and the reaction to it with kevin eckstrom, editor of "religion news service," and kim lawton, the managing editor of this program. kim, is it the case that the report has something in it to make everybody unhappy? >> well, a little bit. when this crisis here in the united states really hit a boiling point in 2002, a lot of liberals in the church said, well, the problem is this all male priesthood and enforced celibacy and that's creating the problem. a lot of conservatives said it's homosexuality and gay priests and that's the problem. and this report said it's not either one of those. but the report did say the social upheaval in the '60s and '70s, and there were critics who didn't like that sort of blame it all on woodstock idea. the report said that in seminaries, priests weren't being trained to handle the new sexual morays of the united states at that time and there was a lot of stress, and that generated the problem, but that makes a lot of critics frustrated because they say it makes it a sociological problem and not a systematic problem, and a spiritual problem within