. >>> more on this with our managing editor, kim lawton. kim?> bob, the religious community continues to be very involved in this debate, bringing some of that moral passion and they are lobbying on both sides, all sides of this issue. this week, we had 24 religious and charitable organizations writing a letter to the administration and congressional leaders saying in all of your debt ceiling discussions, don't forgot about the poor, the vulnerable, the least of these, what they called them. and, on the other side, you had religious conservatives lobbying congress, saying don't accept any debt ceiling solution that doesn't include dramatic spending cuts. and they also used moral language, saying it's wrong to leave debt to our children, using a biblical passage to support that. so, again, energy on all sides on this moral question. >> that's right. and morally and ideologically, it spills over into the whole idea of a smaller government, which of course is what the conservatives want very much. >> and that's a big issue on the campaign trail, to