i'm kim lawton in st.our calendar this weekend, buddhists celebrate buddha day, when they mark the birth, spiritual awakening and death of the buddha. and on wednesday, baha' is observe the anniversary of the ascension of bahaullah, the founder of the baha'i faith. that's our program for now. i'm bob abernethy. you can follow us on twitter and facebook. there's always more on our website, including more of kim lawton's interview with bobby mcferrin and more of his music. audio and video podcasts of this program are also available. join us at pbs.org. as we leave you, bobby mcferrin singing his new song, "rest, yes indeed." ♪ barry kibrick: today, on "between the lines," how to master your emotions and turn them into your allies with ken lindner. welcome. i'm barry kibrick. ken is a true renaissance man. he is one of the country's premiere talent agents representing and developing the careers of people like matt lauer and shepard smith. but he is also the founder of life choice psychology, and has counseled

for more on this, i'm joined by our managing editor kim lawton and haris tarin. he directs the washington office of the muslim public affairs council. haris, welcome. the president referred to self-radicalizing. how does that work and what can the muslim community do to prevent it? >> well, the phenomenon of self-radicalization is where individuals who do not find a place in mainstream muslim institutions, places like mosques, and organizations, they don't find a place for their fiery rhetoric, for their violent extremist rhetoric, so they go online and they listen to sermons and they listen to individuals like anwar al-awlaki or adam gadahn or other folks who misinterpret the religion to give it a violent, violent ideology and they fall prey to these individuals who are basically onli predators and they get influenced by these individuals to address their grievances through violence. >> and then what can you do about it? >> i think what we can do, number one, is to ensure that there's a counter narrative, that there's a narrative of life, of positivity, that eve