washington rachel wasn't artsy telling us now is civil rights attorney and former law professor kima levy armstrong thanks for joining us thank you my. thanks for having me came when you look at this appeal is there hope for a ruling in favor of the of the plaintiffs of these women good men can they finally see some kind of victory in court because it just strikes me as such a travesty that like hey it's great your case is bringing up all this you know everyone can see that there's the plight of women the plight of women who are attacked but we're not really going to do anything about it so you have to appeal is there any hope for them at this point. what is very clear that the system failed a livia wild as well as i'm sorry courtney wilde as well as a number of the other victims who were trafficked by jeffrey epstein as well as his coconspirators i am proud of them for stepping forward and continuing to challenge the system even in the wake of jeffrey epstein's apparent suicide back in august it is difficult to know whether or not they will have a sympathetic ear at the federal court of appeals be