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still with us, rebecca o'brien and kimberly atkins.in the day their first hearing was about prescription drugs. their second hearing was about voting rights. so this was not the first sworn witness. kim, the gop notion of all offense today and no defense, meaning no vigorous defense of donald trump, what did you make of it? >> well, look, clearly the strategy by the republicans, as you said, was to attack cohen from the beginning. not based on what he said, really before he even testifies, or in lieu of asking him questions, just saying look, you are convicted of lying, you're a liar, you cannot be believed. and discredit him entirely. as opposed to asking him questions and maybe trying to pick holes in his story. i mean, some of it wasn't very firm. he based this connection between that trump tower meeting and president trump having knowledge of it, for example, on a really kind of fuzzy recollection by his own admission. they could have -- there was actually there there for them to pick apart. but instead they went at him directly. a

kimberly atkins from bur in boston. host of "msnbc live," katy tur and david brody from cbn news. i'll pick up the conversation. we have markos here. this week, here's a bullet point the green new deal. achieve net zero green house gas emissions, upgrade all exiing buildings. overhaul transportation systems and guarantee a job for every american. it's a resolution, not a bill. here was presint trump's tweet response, a bit of sarcasm. i think it is very important for the democratso press forward with their green new deal. it would be great for the so-called carbon footprint toin ele all planes, cows, gas and the military.t. brilli the democratic party is this a healthy debate that's happening right now? >> i think this is aspirational. this is popular and if trump thinks this will hurt us politically he's not really a payiention to the pulse of the country. this is aspirational like you said. it's not a bill. the details would have to be this is so ambitious that they'd have to be worked out over decades. this is a broa

joining me are kimberly atkins and charlie savage.n? >> i think if that is right, i don't know who michael allen was talking to who was outside of the west wing, but if -- i think what they're talking about is a desire -- a rope-a-dope strategy to some extent in trying to get democrats to fire up from the dais and in a way in which they efr -- they overreach and instead of the bullies and trying to get the country back on track and there were moments yesterday at the whitaker hearing in which democrats seems very angry and talking over whitaker and not letting him speak and like a bullyish demeanor which as an observer going back to the ash croft era, i'm sort of familiar with that. that is a tough committee just like the oversight committee and if i were -- jerrold nadler, i would say we need to project an optics we are earnest in trying to get to the truth rather than relishing our power rather than humiliate those who have been humiliating us. and i think provoking the democrats into overreach is what trump is thinking about. >> at

nows that so kimberly, atkins, how it is. without question the president will try to take a victory lap, lake he does he in no money towards his wall has been allotted so that is not true. he's going to say he's going to get the money elsewhere. democrats are certainly going to fight him on that as well and there might be an executive action which certainly would spur lawsuit and other challenges, too. this is a fight that will be ongoing. but the president will continue to what he could have gone, i think this sets a the blo and she's not going to budge on issues when she said there's not going to. she said in an express point that 9 money is for border security and cannot be spent on a wall. every fight moving forward will show donald trump all the thing he couldn't manage to get done with a fully republican congress. steve. >> what's remarkable from where i was sitting was the extent to which the reins on the hill turned on drft and essentially pounced it included they and vote on it and basically box the president out to

let's bring in kimberly atkins, joshua johnson, michael steele, and nara tandin. everybody. kimberly, no mueller report, but michael cohen. what can michael cohen say that will illuminate the country. >> not a lot about russia. that seems to be the clear area that is under mueller's investigation, under his per view, and we're not going to hear a lot about that, but we're going to hear about something that we heard about before, these hush money contributions to two women in trump's sphere. we're going to hear more details about that. we're going to hear michael cohen making the case that it came from the top, and you have to fess up to the places where in the past michael cohen has frankly lied to members of congress about these connections. so that will be the biggest illuminator here. >> joshua, members of congress, if they take a breath and realize what he can't say, so don't waste your time asking questions he can't say, what can he do. the most dangerous thing in my mind he can do is paint a picture of how he conducted business a for the trump organization.

with us to talk about all of it, kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, boston'spr news station and anita kumar, white house correspondent, associate editor for politico. your piece this evening uses the wording, i note, the president is likely to approve it. it's been a little bit, a few hours. is that still the case? we have to ask. >> that's what i'm hearing today or even this evening. people that are close to the white house are saying that the president is very likely to sign it but he's taking some time just because he is going through the motions saying he knows conservative, some of his supporters don't like this deal. it's not giving him everything he wants so he's taking this time to say, i'm looking at it, i'm adding it, i'm working on it, trying to make it better. the deal is what it is. there's not a lot that's changed at this point and this is him sending the signal he's trying to work hard. yes, we hear he's likely to sign it. not only that we hear that he is likely to do one of these -- use one of these executive orders to find some money from othe

let me bring in jim walden, kimberly atkins, and jeff mason. jill, let me start with you. there is the potential for robert mueller to reveal kind of a lot in this sentencing memo. do you think he will? >> i think he has in the past given us a lot of clues in indictments and in sentencing memos. so there's no reason to suspect that he won't. i just don't know that this is his last word on any of this. and i'm not one of those who believes that for sure there's going to be a report next week. >> why not? >> because there's still a lot to be done that needs to be wrapped up. so that's why i would think it isn't ready even if he does issue a report, i still think we need public hearings. the public needs to see witnesses themselves and judge their credibility, their body language, everything that you get that you don't get in a report. >> there is somebody that we will all see next week, michael cohen, the president's former attorney who is going to appear multiple times on capitol hill. while the president is overseas in vietnam for that summit with kim jong-un. jim, i want

we're joined at the table by our friends john heilemann and kimberly atkins. john heilemann, i thought as we came on the air we would be talking about donald trump's news conference this morning in the rose garden, not just because it was an extraordinary display of the kind of instability now former republican senator bob corker talked about but because donald trump in that press conference declared a national emergency. and it wasn't -- it was about 24 hours ago that nancy pelosi talked about a different kind of president, perhaps in the future, using the power of a national emergency to declare one around the issue of gun violence. >> yes. there's a lot of ways to analyze what happened with trump today and we want to focus on this but you set the backdrop and one of the ways to analyze it, we thought talk about it as political theater, as empty symbolism, as grotesque, as inappropriate as setting a bad precedent, as a million different things, but it set so much now in the context of this, however bad this turns out to be, another mass shooting, i'm looking

and senior news correspondent at wbru boston and nbc contributor, kimberly atkins is with us.a wide ranging interview, discussing the mueller report, his upcoming summit with kim jong-un and once again said done have to take advice from his intelligent chiefs especially when it comes to iran. >> you're going to trust the intelligence you receive. >> i'll trust the intelligence i fruit. my intelligence people, if they said, in fact, that iran is a wonderful kindergarten, i disagree with them 100%. >> your intel chiefs do say iran is abiding by that nuclear deal. >> i disagree. >> you disagree. >> intel people, that doesn't mean i have to agree. president bush had intel people that said saddam hussein in iraq had nuclear weapons, had all sorts of weapons of mass destruction. guess what? those intel people didn't know what the hell they were doing and they got us tied up in a war that we should have never been in. >> john heilemann, more of the same. new week. same donald trump. a guy that doesn't, not only does he not support his intelligence chiefs, he doesn't support the unite