andhank you thomas graham kimberly marten. it has been a lovely conversation. >> jaron lane year is here. -- jaron lane year lanier are is here. wrote a book called "who owns the future? " i am pleased to have jaron lanier back at this table. >> it is up for grabs. if things keep going the way they are, it will be whoever is the closest to owning the biggest computers. that is what it is like now. 20 years ago, if you said, who are the most influential evil, -- is whoever has the digital networks. all of the influential people are closer to the big networks. it might be for finance or social networking. it might be for insurance. >> are we talking about companies or individuals? >> the decision is blurry -- distinction is lori. -- blurry. ownership is becoming more and more narrow. depending on how you count. kids.ve a few dozen good for them. i bear them no ill will. into anurning society already nothing game. you get to be close to the big computer that is calculating advantages. it is a long tail. >> the thesis here is what

kimberly marten is a professor of political science at barnard college and a member of the faculty of columbia university. >> why did this happen now? >> it is a confluence of events in both russia, ukraine, and in the west. in russia, it didn't happen a few years ago because russia was in the midst of an economic crisis. they have gotten past that. even though the economy is growing slowly, they feel that the worst is behind them. it is the return of vladimir putin. he took the presidency in 2012. part of his mission is that russia needed a national identity. >> until recently, the president of ukraine -- what does it happened without him being forcibly ousted? >> you are talking about the acute days of the crisis. this is a question that has been on the agenda for a long time. it is critical to the way putin thinks about russia and its role in the world and it is crucial to thinking about how russia exerts itself. what we have seen over the past three weeks is an improvisation. >> i want to come back to that. let's go back to mr. putin remarks yesterday. we played a small clip. what