kines beacon to the microphone? >> i am among the unlucky 8 mentioned earlier. just to give a snapshot of what a citizen experiences, this is to demolish a church, a dry rot, and sound church sitting on an and reinforced masonry foundation that is vacant. applications were filed in 2004 and two lawsuits against the city wanted to landmark the church. we prevailed in both lawsuits and in the court of appeals. it cost about $500,000 to take something like this through the process except with seven years under our belt, we are not through the process and is still going forward. one of the unfortunate things that occurs is that they act as magnets -- [tone] for all the worst elements of the city. supervisor wiener: thank you very much. >> i will confine myself to the question of the work being produced by historic preservation. some advocates will say it produces more work than new construction. while that may be true in certain instances, as a general assertion, it fails. in all has to be taken in terms of specific instances and there are a variety of factors like