and one was attacking with kinetic military might attacking with air power and striking down and killing terrorists. that was discussed among us and our allies at the state department as part of this. there was also yes, a community

the only way is through what frank said, by kinetic means. finally the intelligence.we've got to make in roads to the sunni tribes, both in iraq and syria. they're there. they're on our side. we need to show them that we're committed and stay the course and for heaven's sake, don't do some deal with the iranians that tells everybody in the sunni side of the world we're on their side. >> i was going to say, isn't this the big picture question here? the cancer is in syria. but it seems to me every policy decision right now in the white house is driven by their desire to get a deal with iran and this affects how they're responding to the problem in syria because they don't want to upset that apple cart because syria is allied with tehran. >> and the intelligence community morale is what at this point? there is a big zero? >> you first. >> it's terrible. >> i think for people who have been on this issue and i hesitate to really speak on their behalf, but they're dedicated to the issue, but they are frustrated that when the information has been presented in a very clear wa

stuxnet showed the viability of using a digital attack as an alternative to either diplomacy or kinetic warfare. so it opens a lot of possibility and it levels the playing ground because actors who ordinarily don't have the resources or the skills or the equipment to launch a physical attack against an enemy can do can do it for much cheaper, a digital attack. >> host: do you know have a flash drive got to the iranian computers? >> guest: there are a couple of possibilities. one is that it was there are contractors that work there and the belief is that the contractors were infected and that they became unwitting accomplices in sort of carrying the worm into the protected facility. there are other suggestions that there might've been some insiders who helped and assisted in planting it your there are two versions of stuxnet. the first version like i said doesn't have zero days so it seems to indicate that there was some

it's not just kinetic. next president will be asking you to deal with somebody somewhere unless we start to think about how the world joins together to drain the pool of recruits that are readily accessible to people with such a wharped and dangerous sense of what life ought to be like. so that's what this meeting, that's what these discussions about the budget are about, and i hope we're going to pull ourselves together in a way that facilitates my visits with a lot of leaders around the world when i walk in and say how are you doing with your budget? and they took at me and i can tell what they are thinking. we advocate democracy, and we have to say, well how is yours working? i have been asked that. so it's up to us and that's my message for my opening statement, and i look forward to the hearing. >> well we appreciate those opening comments and i know that people understand this is more of a budget hearing, but since you have moved into other policy issues i'm going to feel very free to move into those

it's not just kinetic. the next secretary of state will be back it with a new acronym. the next president will be asking you to deal with somebody somewhere. unless we start to think about how the world joins together to drain the pool of recruits that are readily accessible to people with such a warped and dangerous since of what life out to be like. that's what this meeting that's what these discussions about the budget are about, and i hope we're going to catapult ourselves together in a way that facilitates my visits with a lot of leaders around the world when i walk in and say how are you doing under budget? and to look at me and i can tell what they are thinking. or we say to them we got to be doing this or that you know we advocate democracy. we have to say how issuers working? i've been asked that. so it's up to us and that's the message for my opening statement. i look forward to the hearing. >> we appreciate the opening comments, and they know that people understand this is more of a budget hearing, but since you have moved into other policy issues, i'm going

just as we developed frameworks over time to help us address the issue of escalation in the more kinetic traditional role, cyber is in a different arena. >> do you think you addressed sufficiently and for instance this event, are there others that give you concern that it leads us down a dangerous path, that everybody's looking for ways to deter, we've seen dangers, these attacks can cause, but you do want to raise the cost but you want to see the follow-on sort of cycle, are you comfortable we have a handle on how to deter america's adversaries from cyberattacks without creating a further problem? >> i think clearly the concepts of deterrence in the cyber domain are relatively immature. i don't think we are where we need to be, where we collectively need to be. this is still the early stages of cyber in many ways. so we're going to have to work our way through this. it's one of the reasons why quite frankly i'm interested in forums like this because i'm interested in a broad set of perspectives, many of which are going to be different from what i bring to the table. i'm interested how d

kinetically, so to speak. so that's an important point. i would add -- let me add just two points. i know i'm running up against my time limit. i think as i said earlier, because we're coming to grips with the fact that this is a war on western values like free speech, one of the best responses is to have more free speech. if i were a french -- if i were part of the french political debate, i would advocate for two things, one of which would be what i once heard someone say is a pedigogy of insult. it is not going to help if it is left only to "charlie hebdo" or publications like that behind barbed wire and masses of arms to do it. people need to do it more. and at the same time, i would think if i were a french policymaker that they need to left lift, not impose new restrictions on free speech but to lift them because the charge of hypocrisy is a very potent charnel. i don't see the popularity of what's his name -- the anti-semitic comic being brought low by the fact that he's been charged multiple times for

it's not just kinetic. the new president will be asking you to deal with somebody somewhere. unless we start to think about how the world joins together to drain the pool of recruits that are readily accessible to people with such a warped and dangerous sense of what life ought to be life. so, it's up to us and that's my message for my opening statement. i look forward to the hearing. i assume if we only spent 1% on our budget on foreign aid and foreign operations, you would think we need to do that in the most efficient way possible. do you agree with that? >> of course, obviously. >> i think you would support, then, an authorization being put in place. we haven't done one since 2003 actually didn't do one for the entire time you were chairman. you do support that now as head of the state department, is that correct? >> we actually made a run at authorization bill mr. chairman. i would have loved to have passed one. in fact the last authorization bill, i think, was passed, i did it. when senator pell was chairman. and he deputy tiesized me to get an authorization bill throug

all of this is -- kinetic. all of which is gear to try and win this, and we will win it. i am confident of that. providing we all make this right -- we all make the right choices. we certainly have the tolls. in iraq, we worked diplomatically to implement the president's policy to make certain that we didn't take over that effort before there was a transitional government in place. and i am telling you, we spent amazing amounts of time and ours and good diplomacy to help the iraqis to make their own decisions about their leadership. and you know, we worked hard to get all of the chemical weapons out of syria. no small feat, particularly when you consider if we hadn't done that they would be in the hands of faisal -- isil, today. and america is leading an effort to bring people to the table to keep from providing one million people from dying in the a bullet outbreak. in ukraine we have worked hard to hold together a complex array of partners in the sanctions. the sanctions have had a profound effect. the ruble is down 50%. russia's economy is predicted to -- to go into re

. >> reporter: he said it is a kinetic fight and a idea logical battle. it is an arc of instability from iraq and yemen and syria and africa. and another saying that isis is getting a foot hold there. >> you are seeing anise lammic state affiliate in libya. it is ungoverned space and it is a civil war and that is destable otherwising both east and west. >> the most interesting elements of flynn's testimony warned that the allies that are dumping the weapons in the region must be reigned in as a large effect to bring the arab nations together in a collective defense similar are to nato. >> we need an arab world nato- like structure and not deal with each one of these countries as though they are individual countries and individual problems. they are dealing with those problems and we need to put somebody in charge of it. >> and you will recall that fox news was first to report that the rise of isis in iraq was documented in the daily broef. that was presented to the president a year before the terror group pushed through large swath of territory and this d

the so-called non- kinetic warfare. you don't blow people up. you do cause pain and hardship and your trying to undermine the enemy. but the fact is that for many people that was the logic. somehow by punishing people targeting individuals that he would back down. well, that goes back to what i said about the notion of describing russia as a potok a put argosy, has literally a government ruled by these who will in order to steal. and that is simply not true. there are plenty of people that are still in russia. they have always been stealing in russia, and they are doing it a lot of it now. one thing that we try to stress in the book and probably did not do it adequately is to understand the difference between the way pollutant regards corruption and the way we might regard corruption, we would regarded as an ill that needs to be removed from an economy or society because it undermines that economy. and it would be good if we could get rid of it. for corruption as an instrument. what he is doing is exactly -- his background, you have to understan

only two of those are kinetic lines. are things like better governance reduction of terrorist ideology countering their information operations. so there's a lot of things going on against isis and i think the burning of the pilot is just an indicator that isis is struggling right now to maintain their power base. >> right. lieutenant general mark hertling thanks i appreciate it. >>> nbc news brian williams forced to apologize for not telling the entire -- actually he didn't tell the truth as we came to find out. we'll talk about why next. when salesman alan ames books his room at laquinta.com, he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can check in and power up before his big meeting. and when alan gets all powered up, ya know what happens? i think the numbers speak for themselves. i'm sold! he's a selling machine! put it there. and there, and there, and there. la quinta inns and suites is ready for you, so you'll be ready for business. the ready for you alert, only at laquint

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and one was attacking with kinetic military might attacking with air power and striking down and killing terrorists. that was discussed among us and our allies at the state department as part of this. there was also yes, a community angle. and we can trifl trivialize that all we want. somehow soft power as a democratic idea, but it doesn't stop the fact that most of this terrorism that is coming out of these kind of home grown communities is coming out of communitys that are muslim communities. and so under the bush administration, under the obama administration -- >> i ask you, marc thiessen whether that feeds into what marie harf was saying we need to find them jobs. and as the president pointed out himself yesterday most of these terrorists who hit us on 9/11 came from wealthy families. osama bin laden came from a wealthy family. and most of these terrorists arrive from the middle class or upper middle class. >> that's true. but look, i have no problem with what we're talking about with soft power as long as it's backed by hard power. when soft power's used with our hard power, it's j

they are engaged in kinetic activity against isis. they are bombing.ed personnel on the ground. they say that can do this under the old aumf, so why are we debating this or talking about it at all if they have the legal justification of what they're doing. >> i think they realize that is a weak constitutional argument. that old authorization they're relying upon allows a president to use forces who are responsible for 9/11. which they've interpreted meaning al qaeda and its affiliates. well, isil was not even in existence on 9/11, it has been at war with al qaeda, so it plainly, i think by its terms, unless you use the most broad interpretation, but it is all the more reason why it should have the same sunset as any new authorization so the new president cannot fall back on this at a later point when the new resolution expires. >> that key provision in the 2001 aumf that you proposed sort of rolling into this new one sunsetting, that key phrase is associated forces, right? that gives them the latitude to strike at a variety of targets, some that didn't

perhaps there is something on the drone, you know that is kinetic that could cause, you know even ifsion, but enough to cause a small panic or a panic on the ground. >> reporter: the secret service scrambled this week to ensure a drone that flew over the white house was not a bigger threat. sporting events are not immune either. like this drone that flew over a european soccer match. big league stadiums are a big attraction for drone enthusiasts in the united states too. this one flew over wrigley field during a game in chicago. law enforcement is threatening an interception if anyone tries it this sunday. >> if we see somebody operating a drone or in preparation of operating a drone, we'll make contact and address the individual up to and including arrest. >> reporter: the nfl says the league is increaseingly finding drones at stadiums. in the past year, 12 drones have landed around stadiums on game day. the nfl will have explosive teams ready to swoop in if a drone makes its way on to the playing field. during last year's all-star game major league baseball used a drone detection s

just as we developed frameworks overtime to help us address the issue of escalation in the more kinetic, traditional world cyber is the same kind of thing. >> you believe you have sufficiently addressed it? for instance this event, are there others that give you concern that it leads us down a dangerous path? everybody is looking for ways to determine. we have seen the damage, god knows not just iran, countries like china, that these attacks can cause. we see the danger of a follow-up sort of -- are you comfortable that we have a handle on how to deter america's advert -- adversaries without further creating a problem? >> the context of deterrence in the cyber domain are immature. we are clearly not where we need to be, where i think we want collectively to be. this is still the early stages of cyber, in many ways. so we will have to work our way through this. that is what of the reasons why frankly, i am interested in forums like this. i am interested in a broad set of respective's, many of which are going to be different from what i bring to the table. i'm interested in how we collect

operations are not expected or intended, such as intelligence collection and sharing or missions to enable kinetic strikes, if you want to strike and strike well, you have to have someone on the ground to bring in those targets and to make it clear. there is also a piece of prose in here that refers to 2001 because everyone needs to be clear, there was an authorization for what happened in afghanistan, there was an authorization for what happened later in iraq. now they're talking about at some point getting rid of the authorization for forces -- for the use of force in afghanistan, too. is this a priority, though? >> reporter: it's really confusing. i think this part is interesting because for a long time the white house has been saying, yeah, it's appropriate to repeal that mainly because it's focused on al qaeda and its affiliates. it's been around for more than a decade. but it gives the white house the authorization it says it needs to fight isis. isis is an offshoot of al qaeda even though they broke ranks, really. so it still exists. the white house eventually wants to repeal it but then wh

only two of those are really military lines where it's kinetic operations. information operations to counter this kind of propaganda that you talk about. it's critically important, to go back to your last question, that the media represents this for what it is. the media in a free country helps inform people and part of the countering of propaganda is informing people what a dastardally organization this is so i think it's appropriate to continue to tell these stories, but in a correct way. >> brian, some people say none of the images should be shown of isis, that is just encourages them, possibly inspiring more people to join their cause. what do you say to that? >> i understand it, but i think a version of the being blindfolded or wearing ear muffs does little to actually understand the complex world we live in and actually can do damage to the general's point, can do damage because people don't understand the reality of what is going on. where we deal with and where it gets complex is in this gray area between, for example, if you see comments on twitter

based on my reporting is it's another example of how this is really a battle of ideas versus just a kinetic battle. >> catherine, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> today is not the first time iraq assad air bass has come under mortar fire. today's attack was the most aggressive since troops arrived there. also this week iraqi taking control over the town. are the u.s. troops training the iraqis or just sitting ducks. congressman peter king joins us. good evening sir. >> good evening, greta. >> i don't know be if you could listen to colonel oliver north but he says our marines are tough and ready and they could handle the base, catherine points out that all we need to do is have one suicide bomber go in there and have, you know even the least bit success and all of a sudden it changes things. what's your thought on this tonight. >> yeah, greta i share many of your concerns. this isn't the flu. the fact is those 300 marines are the toughest guys around and they are well-armed. the fact that the isis attack today didn't work doesn't mean that it couldn't work in the future. doesn't mean that so

it's not just kinetic. the new president will be asking you to deal with somebody somewhere. unless we start to think about how the world joins together to drain the pool of recruits that are readily accessible to people with such a warped and dangerous sense of what life ought to be life. so, it's up to us and that's my message for my opening statement. i look forward to the hearing. i assume if we only spent 1% on our budget on foreign aid and foreign operations, you would think we need to do that in the most efficient way possible. do you agree with that? >> of course, obviously. >> i think you would support then, an authorization being put in place. we haven't done one since 2003 actually didn't do one for the entire time you were chairman. you do support that now as head of the state department, is that correct? >> we actually made a run at authorization bill, mr. chairman. i would have loved to have passed one. in fact, the last authorization bill, i think, was passed, i did it. when senator pell waschairman. and he deputy tiesized me to get an authorization bill throug

on the ground isil leadership combat operations on the ground to gather intelligence or to enable kinetic strikes presumably by or partners on the ground or by our pilots. are those things the president is currently contemplating in addition to ground combat troops for intelligence gathering or to go after isil leaders on the ground? >> the president has indicated in the past, and we went through some questions about this when general dempsey testified before congress last fall, that it was on the table for the president to adopt a recommendation when it was made. it does not yet base on the last update i've gotten on this -- let me start over. if the president's senior military leaders recommended to him that it would be beneficial to our strategy and this overall operation to forward deploy some troops to assist in kinetic air strikes, that is something the president would consider. i think what general dempsey testified before congress is that he had not yet made that recommendation to the sdmroot or to go after isil leaders which is mentioned here. that was not part of -- >> and i thi

combat operations on the ground to gather intelligence or to enable kinetic strikes, presumably by our partners on the ground. or maybe by our pilots. are those things the president is currently contemplating in addition to ground combat troops for intelligence gathering or to go after isil leaders on the ground? >> the president has indicated in the past and we went through some questions about this when general dempsey testified before congress last fall. that it was on the table for the president to adopt a recommendation when it was made. it was not made. at least based on the last update i got on this. let me start over. if the president's senior military leaders and his national security team recommended to him that it would be beneficial to our strategy and this overall operation to forward deploy some troops to assist in kinetic air strikes, that is something the president would consider. but i think what general dempsey testified before congress is he had not yet made that recommendation to the president. >> or to go after isil leaders, which is mentioned here. that was not pa

interested in hearing what is he going to do about the isis threat in syria, in iraq right now, about the kineticies about the war. he's not going to be talking about that because he's talking to a different audience in general. >> let's bring in our white house correspondent michelle kosinski. we know secretary of state john kerry is going to introduce the president, but will have to have crafty remarks knowing people around the would are listening. >> reporter: to the extent the domestic audience is listening and the global audience at large, beyond the muslim communities out there. he wants to send that message that he put this together that he's in charge he's leading the coalition, not only militarily wolf because that is a big part of it. he wanted to mention that, too. i thought that was interesting in his speech yesterday. he wanted to say, yes, there is a military component. we've heard that emphasis and repetition from the state department too. he wants to say he's also leading this delving into the root causes and we did hear that before the u.n. general assembly especially focusing on

and organize forces to take a more kinetic role against isis.u will see the king, king abdullah who i think before this had been looked at as weak and somewhat unsure of himself, i think you're beginning to see evidence that he sees that this is the moment to show that he has a lot of his father in him, king hussein and that he is going to be firm have great resolve and move his country forward because i think that he sees now the people in the streets are supporting and really calling for much more decisive action from him. >> absolutely. we are looking at video of that right now. do you think isis should be worried at this point that the plan, the brutality possibly backfired? >> it's very very hard to know what they consider the cost for what they have done. and, you know, when you look at the fact that they tried to make a strategic ploy and holding kobani and may have lost upwards of 2,000 or 3,000 people in kobani, you could ask yourself does isis think that was worth it or do they think in other places in northern iraq where they staged c

then i heard of the modern equivalent, people go out with the video cameras and i thought it was a kinetic is someone that comes into the world as an amateur and eases a very long -- i want to stop our discussion over prices. this will save time. so when i say a particular number is my lowest price, that's my lowest price. and you can be sure i arrived at that number very carefully. >> you are watching the foul blossoming of auto didactic self actualized person who has come into a landscape of competative free market and it turns out every sin continuation that he has he well suited for. she utterly empowered. he is saying to renee the news director that he sells the footage too and heretofore she has been molding most of the cards. then he realizes he had the power. >> should we be concerned absent the tharld that you have shown us here? number one, we present this was a success story to in degree to it's a personal story for jake and me and i think the people are socio pathic personalities are being rewarded and we should be concerned. and on local news depending on the market it liens t

you have to remember we've just been at it about eight months of kinetic air strikes. it's going to take a while. >> thank you we thank you for your service to the country. >> thank you. >> i'm joined by nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engle over in iraq. my same question to you looking at it from your vantage point right now. how is this war going? are we winning or are they always where they have been, in control of that territory? >> reporter: well i think the admiral was right on many many points. the isis is being harmed by the air strikes. they are losing territory. the air strikes have forced them to change their communications. some of the top leaders have gone underground. they're not using skype and the internet the way they used to be. but the problem is much bigger than just fighting the militants and killing their leaders. isis has grown up and established control in the very big cracks of many unresolved conflicts. they are growing up in the space where the iraqi kurds and the government of baghdad don't get along. they are getting in the space be

and one was attacking with kinetic military might attacking with air power and striking down and killing terrorists. that was discussed among us and our allies at the state department as part of this. there was also yes, a community angle. and we can trifl trivialize that all we want. somehow soft power as a democratic idea, but it doesn't stop the fact that most of this terrorism that is coming out of these kind of home grown communities is coming out of communitys that are muslim communities. and so under the bush administration, under the obama administration -- >> i ask you, marc thiessen whether that feeds into what marie harf was saying we need to find them jobs. and as the president pointed out himself yesterday most of these terrorists who hit us on 9/11 came from wealthy families. osama bin laden came from a wealthy family. and most of these terrorists arrive from the middle class or upper middle class. >> that's true. but look, i have no problem with what we're talking about with soft power as long as it's backed by hard power. when soft power's used with our hard power, it's j

i mean it's not just a kinetic solution.of the countries in the region with our assistance but we must counter the narrative, take their funding away and frankly, in long term solutions, we have to deal with the countries in the region who have created some of the conditions that are sparring this movement. in other words, there's political reform and social justice needed in these countries. there's no democracies out there other than israel and that's part of the problem here and these countries have to admit that there are some things that they're doing that is helping to create this. that's a long term answer. the short-term answer obviously is mostly military and it's also undermining the ideology count of the narrative and taking the money. >> and recognize that the problem does exist. thank you so much. >> good talking to you, heather. >> about 20 minutes past the hour now. there's a spending showdown that will affect every american democrats vowing to stop a spending bill that would defund the president's amnesty pro

in a position of -- of trying to essentially contain the regional ambitions of the iranians and kinetically defeat the sunni radical islamists, is that the strategy? >> yes that sounds right. >> and you understand that and that to you is a coherent strategy? >> it is. yes. >> now, that means that, you know, you're prioritizing or the administration is prioritizing these actions you've talked about, and building over time capability in syria. in terms of using your resources in addressing the most serious threats is that a coherent response in your mind? >> i think it is the beginning of a strategic response. i think that as i noted on the syrian side of the border the assembling of the force that is going to keep isil defeated there is -- we're in an early stage of trying to build that force. we are participating in the building of that force. but i think it's fair to say that we're at an earlier stage there. on the iraqi side we have the existing iraqi security forces. >> let me -- >> senator reed, if i can just note one other thing. >> please. >> it may be something i missed in your line

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one is kinetic pressure airstrikes as you've talked about. of our partners on the ground the iraqi security forces, also military syrian moderate opposition in the future. >> there's that word in there about ground troops enduring. you've been answering questions about it all morning, i. sure that that is the word that catches the attention. it shows that you guys are being handcuffed by politicians. they won't put you on the ground because they don't like the political pressure. they say they want it about the coalition. the region isn't stepping up. they've given you a window to put you in a situation where you may be put in there in a halfway scenario. we don't want our fighting men and women exposed to it. >> secretary hagel fully supports the authorization language that the president put forward and as you promise you're not going to make me get into political debates here. >> i lied. >> this is a discussion that has to happen now between the white house and congress and that's the appropriate place for that discussion. again, from a mil

sova to enable kinetics strikes to call them in and i guess there is about 3,000 special forces involved right now. with other forms of the fisa and assistance i want to get to the question because i am concerned about the situation occurred to we have had numerous meetings in which they have called repeatedly for a anti-tank weapons, artillery long-ran ge mortar, and that has not been done. as they saw around mosul what kind of leadership would be given and what types of air strikes? with the spotters on the ground maybe we can open with that. >> it is to separate questions. carving the kurds is the important issue in there are two elements. with what they need and the political ramifications. so one of the problems is keeping iraq together. the administration's position makes sense to give these weapons through the iraqi government. regis have to try harder. it is easy for a defensive weapons that is for counterinsurgency. even with the night vision goggles it could be used against isis' also in a conflict and would focus on better equipment to make sure they have the ammunition to mov

operations are not expected or intended such as intelligence collection and sharing missions to enable kinetic strikes for the provision of operational planning and other forms of advice. this is the letter from the president four or five photographs. when congressman gracin was asking whether or not the authorization was providing authorization for offensive operations, you had indicated no. obviously for several months, we have been utilizing strikes from the air. i'm just looking for a little bit more clarity on what specifically from an offensive end the president is looking to do to defeat isis of what is the limit limit. >> mr. secretary thank you, again, for all your time today. a question i wanted to ask you relates to something that shouldn't be partisan at all. it's about america's economy and the opportunities that it should provide for american workers and entrepreneurs. you've long been an advocate for trade long before this position. and i would like to ask you to give details, regardless of political persuasion understand how important the economic opportunities presented by tra

confronted not just in the form of marches and statements about solidarity but it has to be confronted kinetically. that is an important point. i would add, i know i am running up against my time limit. i think because we are coming to grips with the fact that this was a war on western values like free speech, one of the best responses is to have more free speech. if i were part of the french political debate i would advocate for two things, one of which would be what i once heard someone say, there is a pedagogy of insult. it is not going to help if it is left only to charlie hebdo or publications like that behind barbed wire. people need to do it more. at the same time i would think if i were french policymaker that they need to lift, not impose new restrictions but to lift them because the charge of hypocrisy is potent. i do not see the popularity of the anti-somatic comment -- comic being brought low by the fact that he has been charged multiple times for violating the law. if anything it is elevating him. this ought to be an occasion to reflect and import some of the american statutory values

the maintainingaway so far is this really is a war of ideas that cannot be won with kinetic action alonethere is now an arc of instability that spreads from yemen in the east to iraq in syria and then into north africa with the collapse of yemen. this morning the principal witness before the house armed services committee is the former director of the intelligence agency, michael flynn, who you see here. he's a critic of the administration's refusal to identify the threat as radical islam. >> i wouldn't sit here today and say isis is an existential threat to this country the broader ideology. but the broader ideology is one that will get inside of our blood stream, get inside of our dna, if you will and will permeate over time if we don't do something about it now. so it doesn't help us to just kind of wait to do something. >> reporter: separately, fox news was first to report that the rise of isis in iraq was documented in the president's daily brief. this is the top intelligence product presented to the president for at least a year before the terror group pushed through large swaths o

in a position of -- of trying to essentially contain the regional ambitions of the iranians and kinetically defeat the sunni radical islamists, is that the strategy? >> yes that sounds right. >> and you understand that and that to you is a coherent strategy? >> it is. yes. >> now, that means that, you know, you're prioritizing or the administration is prioritizing these actions you've talked about, and building over time capability in syria. in terms of using your resources in addressing the most serious threats is that a coherent response in your mind? >> i think it is the beginning of a strategic response. i think that as i noted on the syrian side of the border the assembling of the force that is going to keep isil defeated there is -- we're in an early stage of trying to build that force. we are participating in the building of that force. but i think it's fair to say that we're at an earlier stage there. on the iraqi side we have the existing iraqi security forces. >> let me -- >> senator reed, if i can just note one other thing. >> please. >> it may be something i missed in your line

completely changed the climate in jordan strengthened the king's hand and may well result in a much more kinetic and strong posture of jordan in this fight with isis. >> and jordan is promising, indeed, an earth dk shaking response, yet there are some jordanians, steve, blaming the government for dragging them into the fise with isis? >> that's right. i think there were a lot of people that thought that you know jordan for a long time has been a sponge and brought into that country and hosted many of the refugees that have tried to escape syria, have escaped iraq and sought refuge and jord sn literally bursting at a seams with a heavy load what is-it-is carrying without a great deal of acknowledgement and support from the rest of the world what it has been doing. that's exasperated tensions. many jordanians think they've done enough and issues were you isis going back and forth are not really theirs. why are they jumping in allying with the united states? i've said it before and say it cautiously. the king was not perceived to be a strong leader like his faufther king hussein. this may be his mo