amy: kinetik justice, can you respond to that? also, talk about what the prisoners are doing right now. >> i agree with the former officer to a certain extent. can't runr that you maximum-security prison with 17 people. it is highly impossible. amy: how many prisoners are there? >> 1000. you have 200 and in solitary confinement. you have 100 on death row and a proximally 640 and the general population. he's been are supposedly providing services and by 14, 15, 16 officers. it is impossible. that means a lot of things are going on that cannot be controlled to the point there is no true security. security is being provided by a street organization. we agreed the administration was not going to protect -- to make sure the elderly were being protected did so forth, so we took it upon ourselves within our own structure to maintain some type of order until we get some help from society in the form of creating a task force. to get an advocate to come up here, an attorney like brian stevenson [indiscernible] come up in your until the depa

juan: that was kinetik justice, speaking by phone from solitary confinement in holman correctional facilityn alabama in may. well, prisoners striking today say conditions are not much different from those at that prompted the largest prison rebellion in history, 45 y years ago at attica. it was september 9, 1971 whehen state police raided the upstate new york prison, ending a protest against racism, officer beatings, rancid food, no rehabitatation programs an , forced labor. for four days the unarmed prisoners held 39 prison guards as hostages. on september 13, then-new york governor nelson rockefeller ordered armed state troopers to raid the prison. troopershehen sh indiscmiminate morore an 20000 roundsds. inhehe end39 m m would d d, includin29 prisosors and 1 guar. amy: i want tourn tottica a blasmith wh diedt the agof 70. big blac ase was known became chiefpokespern of thprisonerduring t upsing. 2000, hand other isoners won a $12illion agrment from the ste of nework. ring the uising, hwas rced to e on a tle while office beat anburned h. heas alsohreatened th casttionnd dea. thiss the ne

juan: that was kinetik justice, speaking by phone from solitary confinement in holman correctional facilityn alabama in may. well, prisoners striking today say conditions are not much different from those at that prompted the largest prison rebellion in history, 45 years ago at attica. it was september 9, 1971 when state police raided the upstate new york prison, ending a protest against racism, officer beatings, rancid food, no rehabilitation programs and , forced labor. for four days the unarmed prisoners held 39 prison guards as hostages. on september 13, then-new york governor nelson rockefeller ordered armed state troopers to raid the prison. troopers then shot indiscriminately more than 2000 rounds. in the end, 39 men would die, including 29 prisoners and 10 guards. amy: i want to turn to attica a blacksmith who died at the age of 70. big black, as he was known, became a chief spokesperson of the prisoners during the uprising. in 2000, he and other prisoners won a $12 million agreement from the state of new york. during the uprising, he was forced to lie on a table while officers beat