and the taliban in afghanistan based on norman is professor of security studies at kings college, london. he was the o. s. c e. special representative on counseling, violent invited colored station. he is joining us live via skype from london. very good to have you with us. why would, if i so k as, as it's known, choose to target russia. and so the important thing about ices k or i shifts in car as on troubling. it is as it is also called to understand is that it's information to you is becoming increasingly and vicious and aggressive group. so they've been expanded. yolanda gotten, it's done, especially in 2 countries in central asia. countries like the g gets done, took many spend those biggest bang care, good stuff. they've eclipse the last people is there. and they are probably the only isis i'm explaining yet that is currently active in the planning terrorist operations abroad. they have tried in western europe and they are also trying and brush, or they are trying very hard to make themselves the leading isis affiliate amongst the many provinces that the united states has said that they want the ru