eric was gobbling up shakespeare, writing papers on king lear and macbeth, your pip d.c -- euripides. and he would write the most amazing apologies. so you've got a kid, he acts up, sometimes he gets in trouble, and when he explains himself, he shows deep, utter remorse. he quotes shakespeare when he's talking to you and how in king lear he learned a similar thing there. you will give a kid like that a lot of latitude. you've got a brilliant kid who seem to be doing really well. sometimes he gets in trouble, he acts out. they knew they had a problem child, but what kind of parent thinks, god, he acts out sometimes, i wonder if he's considering mass murder? >> host: did sue and tom klebold recognize anything in dylan? >> guest: they recognized depression. they knew he was depressed. they had no idea how bad it was, that it was that extreme. they didn't know he was suicidal. he talked for two years in his journal about suicide. they also knew that they had a really shy kid and he had been painfully shy since he was a little kid. and when he went to high school, he felt like a fish out o

eric was gobbling up shakespea shakespeare, putting papers on king lear and mcbeth. he would write the most amazing apologies. sometimes he got in trouble and when he explains himself with utter remorse, he quote shakespeare and he learned a similar thinker, you would give a kid a lot of latitude. he seems to be doing well, sometimes he gets in trouble and ask up but what kind of parent things, i wonder if he's considering mass murder? they recognized depression, they knew dylan was depressed, they had no idea how bad it was, that it was that extreme. they didn't know he was suicidal. the also new they had a shy kid and he was shy, painfully shy since he was little. in high school, he felt like a fish out of water. he went to high school and he felt awkward there, he didn't talk to people until he got to know them. they knew he was struggling but had no idea it was that bad. that's the scary thing about "columbine", dylan was a typical high school kids. >> you write in your book that eric was very, well typical, i guess. he had girlfriends, friends, he was smart. >>

king lear says he is talking about his daughter cordelia and says her voice was ever soft, gentle, and low, an excellent thing and women. so, women have these expectations to be quiet and low i may be to be silent totally. and we still have that. it is still ingrained. we may not feel it, it's not something we talk about explicitly but when you hear those adjectives, she'll shrill, harsh, that's essentially what you're hearing. we don't have that same kind of conversation about men. if you look at that last election, you had to hillary clinton who was just told apart and there were things about why we hate her voice and adjectives every day, you had bernie sanders and donald trump with these in incredibly nasal on flattering voices that made you want to reach for a glass of water and go but down or clear your throat whenever you listen. but no one said anything about that. it didn't matter. or if you look at the radio hosts, he really turned around the way radio voices can sound. and he is a man who proudly resonates his voice right through his nose. but nobody cares because apparently