she stood for election at kingston council and won in 2018 and we already planned that. turn? so it was her turn. she'd stood for parliament four times and hadn't won. i was determined that she had a go. and i'm really proud of what she's achieving in my borough. your life in many ways has been defined by being a carer. you cared for your dying mum when you were at school, you were at her bedside as we discussed last time you were on, in your school uniform when she died. and then you had a very disabled son, john, he's 15 now. yeah. but you've had something of a breakthrough with him in recent times? yeah, well, he said daddy for the first time when he was nine and that was a moment. and we've been teaching him at home for a few years. it wasn't our first choice but it turned out it's best for him. and that creates its own dynamics. but he was nonverbal before we started teaching him at home, and now he can verbalise quite a few things and express himself. was daddy the first word? no, i think mummy came first. he's a diplomat. yes. i think a few other things came befor