light that says bs under it that should be blinking, because it seems that there is just this obvious kinnardn for these militias, whether arming them or encouraging them or saying don't worry, we've got your back. and the whole dynamic is russia saying, hey, west, you better make sure this violence doesn't get worse. >> pull us out of this problem. >> that's right. the hypocrisy to me is baffling. and yet i'm not hearing anything about it. >> i know. and why the united states administration is not talking vehemently about that, i just am not sure. what has to happen, it's clearly putin has the authority, and he has the ability. he's got the power to pull these forces out and really cut back on the violence occurring in east ukraine. and also, and we'll talk in just a little bit, over here in odessa, away from east ukraine, we now have incredible violence taking place. and there are historical tieses with russia and the former soviet union in odessa. but this is a notion of moving this violence a little further, and clearly putin is pulling the strings in this regard. >> and look, you see the