kinsey found that african-american womena were less likely to touch their bodies for stimulation in the '30s and '40s. i found they were still less likely to touch their bodies. i find throughout my research that even stems into the '90s, that this is a cultural issue that is prohibitive in families. little girls are told, churches tell you, "that's not something that you do." we've also found that women are less likely-- african-american women are less likely to engage in a variety of sexual experiences. where does that come from? kinsey found it, i found it, and i've studied african-american women from ages 18 to 80, the same pattern all the way through. controlling for education, economics, age, all those kinds of things, again, we see a cultural pattern that emerges from data. i had taken on everything society says about homosexuality, and i felt perverted, and deviant, and abnormal and all of those textbook kinds of things. that's been a process to get past that. so i was in therapy for about a year with a therapist in los angeles well known in the lesbian community. in heriew, the