. >>> for more on this, we're joined by kip pauley, he was the head of the tsa, he is the man who made us put all our liquids and gels in plastic bags. he wrote a book called "permanent emergency." now that we know more about how they're trying to come after us, you've complained the tsa is still wasting time and effort looking for sharp objects. are we still fighting the last war? >> good evening, brian. i think we're ahead of this one, thankfully, and we ought to get rid of the tools from the last war that are already covered. it demonstrates again that al qaeda is looking for an explosive bomb, and that sharp objects are a distraction. i would say we get rid of that and focus on our resources on the next generation of explosives they bring at us. >> do you think it's dangerous how many government officials are walking around talking about how weakened al qaeda is now? >> i think it's not accurate, because it's a worldwide movement, frankly, i think having the news out at all was a surprise to me, because it's a whole lot better if al qaeda doesn't know they've lost an operative and/