. >>> for more on this, we're joined by kip pauley, he was the head of the tsa, he is the man who made us put all our liquids and gels in plastic bags. he wrote a book called "permanent emergency." now that we know more about how they're trying to come after us, you've complained the tsa is still wasting time and effort looking for sharp objects. are we still fighting the last war? >> good evening, brian. i think we're ahead of this one, thankfully, and we ought to get rid of the tools from the last war that are already covered. it demonstrates again that al qaeda is looking for an explosive bomb, and that sharp objects are a distraction. i would say we get rid of that and focus on our resources on the next generation of explosives they bring at us. >> do you think it's dangerous how many government officials are walking around talking about how weakened al qaeda is now? >> i think it's not accurate, because it's a worldwide movement, frankly, i think having the news out at all was a surprise to me, because it's a whole lot better if al qaeda doesn't know they've lost an operative and/

interesting, too, kip pauley, the former head of the tsa has a book out.mments in context. but he doesn't think that first underwear bomb in 2009 would have been enough to take down the plane. interesting note there despite the video you saw there. body scanners, the poof, poof machines we get into, they are helpful but he's advocating a better system of patdowns which have been pretty controversial before. he's saying that's what we need to focus on more so than the body scanners. >> that's interesting because so many people, myself included, i just prefer the poof, poof and just get there and have the body scan. >> we all do but it may not be enough. >> interesting. >>> the u.s. and china are pledging to work together against the threat of cyberterrorism. defense secretary leon panetta and china's defense minister announced the agreement after high-level meetings in washington. it's quite an about-face since just six months ago the u.s. accused china of systematically stealing american eye-tech data for its own national economic gain. >>> investigators s