and went on to found kipp.that is not to in any way denigrate kipp. kipp obviously has been a great success. >> yeah. >> and you certainly can comment on, about kipp's success, but is that what it takes? do we need to opt out of the traditional public school track to make this work? >> so, you know, in a chance to make history i actually delved into a couple of traditional public schools that are getting extraordinary results, and, and also, you know, into what's happening in the growing number of high performing charter schools that are.that are getting great results. always when you get into it, you realize this is about a school leader. in the traditional system, it's about people ooten who have just taken the personal accountability and the is is flexibility. like they're just going to find a way. i mean even f it means breaking a few little rules. you know, they're going to find a way tt do whatever it takes to meet the needs of their kids. i think there's a reason that we have more of these schools that i

more worried about being called racist than pishltion teachers here at kipp king say no coincidence thents consistently did he fay the odd because from the very beginning they learn to think of he had case not just as something you do but as a life decision. >> they live in the inner city of oakland. the only opportunity that they are going to have to like better their lives and im paragraph her live is through education. >>reporter: education provided free to worthy students. some tax money. some from private donations. the sisters father says he couldn't be more grateful. >> education is something that nobody can take away from you. >>reporter: his daughter say they are ready for the next step. but after going from fifth grade on. >>reporter: this is abc 7 news. >>> coming up here next. white water adventure. just ahead here tonight. why this could be a terrific year to ride the here tonight. why this could be a terrific year to ride the rapids. stay  dad, i was wondering if you've -- what's up? oh, what's wrong with your hair? oh. i was cruising the wo