in your state of north carolina, i've talked about this, the kipp school down there that's doing a great job and in a rural community and getting great results. that's what parents want. what i'm about is good schools and let's get as many as we can and give people choices. everybody i know says to me, i would never tick a neighborhood school for my di kid if it wasnt good. if it's good, sure. if not, i'll move. why should poor people be told it's one and you're done? >> charlie: so, therefore, the answer for poor people in their neighborhood is to improve their schools, offer them an alternative in their neighborhood or bus them somewhere else? >> to the extent you can, in their neighborhood. if they want to be bussed, let them. in new york city, for 20,000 charter school seats, 70,000 families applied. speaks volumes. >> charlie: how many schools under your jurisdiction? >> when we finished about 1750. >> charlie: of those, how many do you think were performing at a level of success that was appropriate or satisfactory? >> i think that's the critical question, and i would say first ans