we saw a kirby bryant card sulfur thousands -- sell for $1.75 million.ising to not see it as an nft. joe: an nft versus a piece of cardboard. joining us for more, lucas shaw from los angeles. i remember reading about sports cards taking off, and i thought it must be some joke. people rating the stores for their own open packs -- unopened packs, but i guess it's real. is it nostalgia, or do people want to collect anything these days? lucas: i think there are collectors who look at trading cards like fantasy sports or like gambling, where it used to be you would collect really old players, there was a card that could sell for $4 million or $5 million. now they want to buy lebron james, kevin durrant, or the young, rookie cards. so you buy a star for the memphis grizzlies because you think he is going to be a ha ll of famer. you pay 50,000 for it now, but it might be worth $500,000 in 10 years. caroline: in aggregate, do we just have an enormous amount? i am looking at one that sold for $4.6 million for another key player. how are we seeing the money add up