charile: we saw in the trailer, it is kirk douglas. bryan: kirk douglas, yeah.n relief, kirk douglas did a very heroic thing, much like the parallels of spartacus, where a man stands up for what is right, and by doing so others will stand with him. it is a noble thing, and kirk, who risked a lot, because he put his own money and is reputation at risk. charile: and a lot of lives were destroyed. bryan: he could have been ostracized easily if it did not work. at one point he just felt that it was not right. it was not fair. he would not be who he thought he was as a man, i'm talking allowed, aas, if he different name, a phony name, to ," of all things -- how can you allow a hidden name to be on that movie? for those vegetables he said no, dalton trumbo's name is going to be honest, and it was the first time in 15 years that dalton trumbo saw his first -- real name on a screen. kirk: so many parts that i played, i think of "spartacus," this fight for freedom, and he is saying i am free, but i know nothing -- i want to read. i want to know everything. i want to know

. >> in real life kirk douglas did a very heroic thing, much like the parallels of spartacus where a man stands up for what is right and, by doing so, others will stand with him. and it's a noble thing. and kirk, who risked a lot because he put his own money and reputation at risk. >> rose: and a lot of lives were financially destroyed by -- >> he could have been ostracized easily if it didn't work, but at one point he just felt that it wasn't right, it wasn't fair, and he wouldn't be who he thought he was as a man -- i'm talking about kirk douglas -- if he allowed a different name, a phony name to be on spartacus, of all things. how can you allow, you know, a hidden name to be on that movie? >> rose: for those principles. for those principles. and he said, no dalton trumbo's name is going to be on it. it was the first time in 13 years dalton trumbo saw his real name on a screen. >> rose: look at. this here it is. >> when i think of all the movies i've done, so many of the characters that i've played, it's like a part of me. when i think of spartacus, you know, this great fighter for

but it wasn't until kirk douglas said enough is enough. put his name on spartacu s, 13 years after he went to prison, and saw his name on the screen for the first time. >> stephen: so douglas, does he get any credit. >> he gets a lot of credit. so does otto priminger. he directed exodus at the time. >> stephen: in the movie, trumbo-w seems like a larger-than-life character. >> is he. movie. it is awend louis ck who is playing another writer, i understand. >> he plays my friend arlen herd who is far left of my character's stance. >> stephen: and he's a little fruses traited with tru mbo because he is a very rich man. >> very healthy man but he also has great ideals. >> all right, jim, let's take a look. >> if i'm wrong, tell me. but ever since i've known you, but you live like a rich guy. >> that is true. >> well, i don't know that you-- i don't think you're willing to lose all of this just to do the right thing. >> well, i des pies march ma tir-- martyr dom and i won't fight for a lost cause, so you're right. i'm not willing to lose it all

i've done this on television before, i gave great credit, i hope enough, to kirk douglas for ending the blacklist. we had a special segment on that one time, when he put his name on that -- right up there on the screen and said dalton trumbo wrote "spartacus." >> that kind of broke the spell, right? it broke the spell, threw the water on the wicked witch. that's that shot of helen mirren at the end. >> i love what the movie's saying, i've got this movie called -- thank you so much, bryan cranston. and jay roach. love your stuff. "trumbo" is in theaters now. "hardball" back after this. automated voice: to file a claim, please state your name. carnie wilson. thank you. can you hold on? ♪ hold on for one more day really? hey, i know there's pain. why do you lock yourself up in these chains? ♪ this would be so easy if you had progressive. our mobile app would let you file a claim and help you find one of our service centers where we manage the entire repair process. things will go your way if you hold on. [ sighs ] someday somebody's gonna make you wanna turn around and say goodbye. ♪ say g

i've done this on television before, i gave great credit, i hope enough, to kirk douglas for ending thewe had a special segment on that one time, when he put his name on that -- right up there on the screen and said dalton trumbo wrote "spartacus." >> that kind of broke the spell, right? it broke the spell, threw the water on the wicked witch. that's that shot of helen mirren at the end. >> i love what the movie's saying, i've got this movie called -- thank you so much, bryan cranston. and jay roach. love your stuff. "trumbo" is in theaters now. "hardball" back after this. compared to the alternatives. push! i am pushing! sfx: pants ripping how you doing eddie? almost there. small steps. at axa, we'll help you take the next steps, with more confidence. for advice, retirement and insurance, talk to axa today. across america, people like badominique wilkins...er ...are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes... ...with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar. but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza®. he said victoza® works differ

we spoke to kirk douglas. every possible book and saw every possible bit of film or radio and listened to radio. >> brown: very complicated character. larger than life in many ways. big in many ways, committed, and yet loving life. >> he was a very idiosyncratic man. he was a member of the american communist party. he was very compassionate about workers' rights. he led a lot of strikes when he was young, especially for himself, in a bakery when he was very young. and he was very much a pro worker individual. but he also loved being a wealthy man. he was the highest-paid screenwriter in the '40s, and that is tantamount to saying the highest. >> i had writer in the world. he loved that idea. >> brown: as an actor, did you enjoy the contradiction of that? >> as an actor, it's juicy. any time someone makes an emphatic statement and goes against it, it's quite fun to play both sides of those things. >> brown: i want the play one scene. this is you as dalton trumbo and louis c.k. who you just mentioned talking abou

> two oscar ss under otr names and brought the system crashing down with the help certainly of kirk douglas and otto preminger. we get to revisit history very accurately in this film and laugh while we do it thanks to jay roach. >> one moment where i was particularly impressed with your skills were your juggling skills. did you know those -- did you have those prior? >> don't ask me to do it. i did not. i, in fact, took lessons before my first meeting with the director for the part. >> there you go, look at that. >> yeah. make sure -- >> speaking of juggling acts, i don't even know how to bring this one in because you got -- we actually had a guest star that you brought in for the day today. >> her name is peggy, right? >> peggy. >> peggy the sheep. >> can you please explain -- >> she is my rock star. thank you so much for allowing her to come on with me this morning. she represents one of the many wonderful gifts that i intend to give this christmas through heifer international, and people start talking about the holiday witnessed great transformative gifts with paying forward. have you ev