one of the things i liked also is you showed a lot of the younger generations that listened to kirk franklins because i think there's a misperception that all of the young people of today have left the church, and that's not true. i think that a lot of our churches, if i look around the country from a rudy mckissic to jamal bryant to others are drawing young people on a consistent basis than some of our rock artists but it's a hidden secret until now you come out and expose it. the black church is still the largest gathering place of blacks on a weekly basis in the united states. >> it is, and it's always been the center of anything. if you want to get a group of people, where do you go? you go to church. it will always be that center of attention and always be that place, a gathering space, regardless. and even, i look at tracy blackman, reverend tracy blackman, who talks about even black lives matter. she said they didn't leave the church. black lives matter was church. we have to realize the church is not confined in four walls. the church is -- what's happened at hush harbors in the 1700