robert redford, kirk gibson.brimley as the manager and tommy lasorda, the actual manager, they were so physically similar and when they each jumped up, they each got about this high off the ground and it matched perfectly. it was just -- >> here's a question. i know you love your stats. who is the greatest sportsman you have ever seen in any sport, for whatever reason? >> perhaps the greatest all around athlete would be jim brown, the great american football player who also could have been the greatest lacrosse player who ever lived, undoubtedly could have played basketball in the nba. he would be way up there. >> what about tiger? the reason i mention him, he's on a hot streak again now. if he continues that, he could smash all records into oblivion. but also, what he represents. tiger woods coming when he did, the importance of that. he's doing for sport in america what barack obama did for politics. >> well, but the barriers had been broken in sports in other sports, and in fact, lee elder and charlie sippert