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in kirkland, washington. >> not kirkland, ontario? >> no. there goes my career. tonight. >> governor, the problem is is that on a whole range of issues, you have been all over the map. >> bill: president obama once again verbally attacking mitt romney during the final debate. but the governor laid back. >> attacking me is not an agenda. attacking me is not talking about how we're going to deal with the challenges that exist in the middle east. >> >> bill: so who won and who lost? krauthammer, rove, morris, and i will analyze. >> more aggressive moderation? >> no. i want answers to the questions. >> bill: this morning on cbs there was a much livelier debate than the one we saw last night. we will show you what happened. >> so you didn't learn anything because i didn't learn anything. >> caution, you where to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. hi i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. who won the final debate? that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. nobody won but we the american people lost that's because the debate
in kirkland, washington. >> not kirkland, ontario? >> no. there goes my career. tonight. >> governor, the problem is is that on a whole range of issues, you have been all over the map. >> bill: president obama once again verbally attacking mitt romney during the final debate. but the governor laid back. >> attacking me is not an agenda. attacking me is not talking about how we're going to deal with the challenges that exist in the middle east. >> >>...
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kirkland good to hear from you.er to the eastern shore, salsberry, maryland. >> caller: good morning, bill i'm not a religious person, i was brought up to be fair to everybody. and i have had bad experiences with religion in the past and that's why i'm not part of an organized religion. i had a discussion with a coworker last week and she is still under the impression that obama is a muslim and she knows he doesn't pray every day. and i said what does that have to do with anything? and i just feel like people who are not religious are pressured into performing. >> bill: how does she know that he doesn't pray every day? >> caller: well, she just knows it. >> bill: i know. that's just absurd and the idea that he is not a christian. i mean what does he have to do to prove he is a christian? i don't know. april, yeah, you point out there is a lot of ignorance out there, and hatred, again, to repeat in the name of god. we'll wrap up here with jay. jay calling from raleigh, north carolina. >> caller: good morning, as a lo
kirkland good to hear from you.er to the eastern shore, salsberry, maryland. >> caller: good morning, bill i'm not a religious person, i was brought up to be fair to everybody. and i have had bad experiences with religion in the past and that's why i'm not part of an organized religion. i had a discussion with a coworker last week and she is still under the impression that obama is a muslim and she knows he doesn't pray every day. and i said what does that have to do with anything? and i...
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. >>> another salmonella recall this time salmon sold by kirkland.is contamination is so persuasive, john fowler has the story. >> reporter: a few days ago it was peanuts this time salmon. there's more salmonella recalls now than in recent years. the product is sold in the u.s. only under costco's kirkland brand. it sickened at least 100 people in the u.s. salmonela is risky for the very old and very young. >> they can get very sick and die. it's a very harmful infection. >> reporter: the cdc lists 13 different salmonella outbreaks just this year. >> that's why i'm at the farmers market to try and eat locally, eat fresh. >> everybody is concerned about their products and putting their name on it. >> it gets amplified and amplified to the point where lots of people can get very sick the smaller the farm the more limited the amount of contamination. many food factors are meticulous. >> these outbreaks support the fact they're not being sufficiently meticulous. >> reporter: reporting live, john fowler ktvu channel 2 news. >>> a brand of ready to eat pop
. >>> another salmonella recall this time salmon sold by kirkland.is contamination is so persuasive, john fowler has the story. >> reporter: a few days ago it was peanuts this time salmon. there's more salmonella recalls now than in recent years. the product is sold in the u.s. only under costco's kirkland brand. it sickened at least 100 people in the u.s. salmonela is risky for the very old and very young. >> they can get very sick and die. it's a very harmful infection....
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madmen, they will be able to hide their nuclear facilities inside their giant discarded barrels of kirkland coleslaw. (laughter) oh! oh, don't worry!, don't worry, you say, they don't have enriched uranium yet. well, you know what else costco sells? yellow cake. (laughter) a five pound box for 10.85. for 10.85 if you don't make nukes you're losing money. folks, these maniacs may deny the holocaust, but we have just laid the ground for a holocaustco. we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) =w >> welcome back, everybody. my guest tonight has a new album titled the sound of the life of the mind. fortunately, my mind has n no-- please welcome ben folds five. (cheers and applause) hey, ben, pleasure to see you, robert, darren, good to see you. hey, thanks to much for coming on. >> sure, yeah. >> good to be here. >> now it's ben folds five. why only three s it because five is the best number? >> it had sort of-- was supposed to be a joke. and it wasn't funny. (laughter) >> we thought it was hilarious. like i came home, he was mowing the lawn and he just was like hanging off the lawn mower and
madmen, they will be able to hide their nuclear facilities inside their giant discarded barrels of kirkland coleslaw. (laughter) oh! oh, don't worry!, don't worry, you say, they don't have enriched uranium yet. well, you know what else costco sells? yellow cake. (laughter) a five pound box for 10.85. for 10.85 if you don't make nukes you're losing money. folks, these maniacs may deny the holocaust, but we have just laid the ground for a holocaustco. we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) =w...
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madmen, they will be able to hide their nuclear facilities inside their giant discarded barrels of kirklandleslaw. (laughter) oh! oh, don't worry!, don't worry, you say, they don't have enriched uranium yet. well, you know what else costco sells? yellow cake. (laughter) a five pound box for 10.85. for 10.85 if you don't make nukes you're losing money. folks, these maniacs may deny the holocaust, but we have just laid the ground for a holocaustco. we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) joey, dinner!!!!! alllllriggghtttt! joey junior!! alllllriggghtttt! that's what you're wearing! what? thank you jack for bringing the cheesesteaks. well i just want to know what my favorite philly cousins think about my new- sourdough cheesesteak melt. i took all the best parts, thinly sliced steak, melty cheese, onions and peppers but i put it on warm, toasty sourdough. fan-cy. sourdough is my thing. i'm busting your chops, the cheesesteak's good. say it. you're better at hockey. >> welcome back, everybody. my guest tonight has a new album titled the sound of the life of the mind. fortunately, my mind has
madmen, they will be able to hide their nuclear facilities inside their giant discarded barrels of kirklandleslaw. (laughter) oh! oh, don't worry!, don't worry, you say, they don't have enriched uranium yet. well, you know what else costco sells? yellow cake. (laughter) a five pound box for 10.85. for 10.85 if you don't make nukes you're losing money. folks, these maniacs may deny the holocaust, but we have just laid the ground for a holocaustco. we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) joey,...
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it's sold at costco stores under the kirkland store brand name and this is by one estimate, one out of -- we've stip head here, cost tow pulled this product from shelves and the store says there is no independent confirmation and health officials say they're looking into it but only just begun z by one estimate eight out of 10 women are wearing the wrong bra size. they don't know it this, expert says brau bra manufacturers trying to convince women their backs are smaller and breasts, bigger but what used to be a 36 d and now a 32 g what. do you need to do to get the right fit? >> this shutd be between your elbow and shoulder, if you're lower then it's too loose in the back. >> she recommends getting fitted and replace every six month autos stop by television rooms and chances are the sales person will try to sell you on benefits of a 3 dtv. so far amount of programming is really small. rating services say it's not measurable. 3 d video games may feel the gap. and. >> early to predict if it will be as common as color television. >> and it's hot, hot, out there. >> this is where we're sw
it's sold at costco stores under the kirkland store brand name and this is by one estimate, one out of -- we've stip head here, cost tow pulled this product from shelves and the store says there is no independent confirmation and health officials say they're looking into it but only just begun z by one estimate eight out of 10 women are wearing the wrong bra size. they don't know it this, expert says brau bra manufacturers trying to convince women their backs are smaller and breasts, bigger but...
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at the kirkland clinic in suburban seattle team work is a mantra. that's why rhonda chiuchta goes there for health care. >> i just go straight to the check in counters. they give me a card and you go straight to your room and within a couple of minutes a care nurse comes into the room and checks your weight, checks your height, blood pressure and then she calls the doctor in and we just update and talk about what's going on. >> reporter: and, chiuchta doesn't waste a lot of time waiting to see the doctor because there are no waiting rooms. >> it's just an embarrassing reminder of how inefficient we are in healthcare delivery. it's just a shame to see how we spend huge amounts of money for fancy waiting rooms. >> reporter: virginia mason is slowly getting rid of waiting rooms at all its facilities. they've been able to do this by taking calls for appointments as they come in instead of letting them back up at the end of the day. all of this has meant the staff has had to change the very basic ways they think about the delivery of health care. here it
at the kirkland clinic in suburban seattle team work is a mantra. that's why rhonda chiuchta goes there for health care. >> i just go straight to the check in counters. they give me a card and you go straight to your room and within a couple of minutes a care nurse comes into the room and checks your weight, checks your height, blood pressure and then she calls the doctor in and we just update and talk about what's going on. >> reporter: and, chiuchta doesn't waste a lot of time...
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quarterback, kirkland scrambling and then anchors away, my boy. anchors away.ht into your living room. 3-d. too much dunbar, though. patterson, take it to the hizzy. 40-19 tonight. hey coach, tell us about those matthews boys. >> hey brother, you know, so at times they go and practice in the backyard and do things on their own. sometimes the coordinators call things and they might check. it's chemistry and knowing each other. it's a great combination. >> let's move on now. this is the purple platoon,
quarterback, kirkland scrambling and then anchors away, my boy. anchors away.ht into your living room. 3-d. too much dunbar, though. patterson, take it to the hizzy. 40-19 tonight. hey coach, tell us about those matthews boys. >> hey brother, you know, so at times they go and practice in the backyard and do things on their own. sometimes the coordinators call things and they might check. it's chemistry and knowing each other. it's a great combination. >> let's move on now. this is...
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quarterback, kirkland scrambling and then anchors away, my boy. anchors away. right into your living room. 3-d. too much dunbar, though. patterson, take it to the hizzy. 40-19 tonight. hey coach, tell us about those matthews boys. >> hey brother, you know, so at times they go and practice in the backyard and do things on their own. sometimes the coordinators call things and they might check. it's chemistry and knowing each other. it's a great combination. >> let's move on now. this is the purple platoon, fans rocking the lavender. this is what they call the linebacker. discipline, stepping back and coming up with the pick. doing it well there. but it was a defensive struggle. we were tied at 7 at the break. finally, some offense, reynolds gets it to the line. west field comes back to edge. the battle of tillly. 24-21. edison, yorktown. you can see it right there. but here's a good defensive play for you. skyler johnson, 99 problems. at the goal line source of the drive. that is nicely done. but here comes yorktown. is he a doctor? yeah. does he make house calls
quarterback, kirkland scrambling and then anchors away, my boy. anchors away. right into your living room. 3-d. too much dunbar, though. patterson, take it to the hizzy. 40-19 tonight. hey coach, tell us about those matthews boys. >> hey brother, you know, so at times they go and practice in the backyard and do things on their own. sometimes the coordinators call things and they might check. it's chemistry and knowing each other. it's a great combination. >> let's move on now. this...
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shea is a senior partner at kirkland and alice here in new york city. jay is a well-known commodity in the washington policy world, having served with distinction and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. accused of what an incredible with unparalleled efficiency. he served with great authority and issues from stem cell research to jewish version patterns in presidential elections to human rights in north korea and such "new york times," "the wall street journal" and "washington post." he's an envoy for north korea under president george w. bush. in that position, george is known for his forthright criticism assembly of the north korean, but also china for failing to do more to assist a flight to freedom. she did not spare criticism either of the folks in foggy bottom. he was well known for criticizing state department policies that seem more conc
shea is a senior partner at kirkland and alice here in new york city. jay is a well-known commodity in the washington policy world, having served with distinction and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. and cabinet secretary under president george h.w. bush and mr. accused of what an incredible with unparalleled efficiency. he served with great...
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douglas kirkland thank you.ing this project and our book is out. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. >> up next time and love. >> smile. >> would you like to try our new cheese pot pie on a stick just $1.99 for a limited time only. >> we were yuchtjust at a seminar. this is my -- >> your husband. we met before but you'll remember me next time. >> more and more women are ting on their spouses and partners. you're watching cbs "this morning saturday". you celebrate a little win. nicoderm cq, the patch with time release smart control technology. quit one day at a time with nicoderm cq. [ male announcer ] it started long ago. it's called passion. and it's not letting up anytime soon. at unitedhealthcare insurance company, we understand that commitment. so does aarp serving americans 50 and over for generations. so it's no surprise millions have chosen an aarp dicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it helps cover some of what medic
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here in the united states salmon is sold at costco warehouse stores uer the kirkland store bra me anthis costco pulled th product fm its shelves after beinnotified. store says they have no independent problem. people from the mevr lands got sick. u.s. federal health officials say they are only in the preliminary stage of the investigation. >>> well bay area researchers are launching a prom equity that could ultimately save literally millns of women from being infected with the aids virus and delivery system puts the technology of the winds carolyn has the story. >> estimated 3000 women around the world are infected with hive every day. majority of those cases are in subject is a har app africa. now her team from memorandum lo park develop agile that cut the numbers dramatically. >> 2 part sale. apply to the site. it will stick but such a listening time at the same time 2 drug between our kids one effective and took 3. >>reporter: is to protect women from form of gele she says the gel would be effective terminated sometimes discourage use the use of condom. >> therefore you want to empowe
here in the united states salmon is sold at costco warehouse stores uer the kirkland store bra me anthis costco pulled th product fm its shelves after beinnotified. store says they have no independent problem. people from the mevr lands got sick. u.s. federal health officials say they are only in the preliminary stage of the investigation. >>> well bay area researchers are launching a prom equity that could ultimately save literally millns of women from being infected with the aids...
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you may catch more than a good deal on fish if you shop at cost warehouse club chain pulling kirklandsalmonella poisoning after the dutch supplier has warned the product has sickened hunts in the netherlands. restaurants -- s and bars heading towards strongest year of job growth since 2004. mixed close for stocks yesterday, spain's debt problems weighed on shares. i'm jane king. >>> government has an important warning for people taking supplement force weight loss or health. inspectors found problems with one out of five they bought many claimed they could cure or prevent diabetes or cancer they back up claims with flimsy evidence such as college term papers. the report doesn't name evidence brands the fda is considering asking congress for more oversight over the 20 billion dollar industry. >>> new research links tanning beds to increase in skin cancer. indoor tanners 67% more likely to develop carcinomas. basil cell carcinomas increase by 29%. increased risk of melanoma, the deadliest form those who start indoor tanning before the age of 25. >>> lugging heavy textbooks to class may
you may catch more than a good deal on fish if you shop at cost warehouse club chain pulling kirklandsalmonella poisoning after the dutch supplier has warned the product has sickened hunts in the netherlands. restaurants -- s and bars heading towards strongest year of job growth since 2004. mixed close for stocks yesterday, spain's debt problems weighed on shares. i'm jane king. >>> government has an important warning for people taking supplement force weight loss or health. inspectors...
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wells fargo, kirkland and elvis that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney why?> they have gone because primarily dodd frank. if they listened to governor romney in that debate talking about too big to fail and dodd frank. he is going to get rid of too big to fail. they are thinking right now can i stop that check before it clears. >> bill: what's too big to fail again. >> too big to fail is a bank like jp morgan chase. >> bill: the government guarantees you are not going out of asset. >> 1.2 and not going out of business no matter how big you get. >> bill: he took money. >> just like barack obama did four years ago. >> bill: lou dobbs, everybody. and that's the fairest assessment that you will get anywhere in the media right here on the factor. directly ahead, vicious attack on a california couple who put out a romney sign on their front lawn. harold with details. he has talked to the couple. body language takes a look at the debate this week. that should be interesting. those reports after these messages. ooho romney once again using a working person. apparentl
wells fargo, kirkland and elvis that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney why?> they have gone because primarily dodd frank. if they listened to governor romney in that debate talking about too big to fail and dodd frank. he is going to get rid of too big to fail. they are thinking right now can i stop that check before it clears. >> bill: what's too big to fail again. >> too big to fail is a bank like jp morgan chase. >> bill: the government guarantees you are not...
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. >> richard kirkland has worked at pelican bay since 1992. in 2004, he became warden of the prison. >> we have approximately in any year, particularly over the last several years, somewhere between 700 and 800 reportable incidents. we end up using force of some sort, whether that's pepper spray, physical holds or otherwise in probably some 400 of those. >> inmates are assigned points based on the severity of their crimes and propensity to inflict violence on other inmates and staff. pelican bay houses level four inmates, including some of the most violent offenders in the state's correctional system. >> pelican bay does have a high quantity of very assaultive inmates. due to our mission at pelican bay, we are tasked with housing the worst inmates in the state of california. >> we house inmates that had problems programming in other institutions. they have disciplinarians, staff assaults, inmate assaults, conspiracy to commit assault, drug trafficking, you name it, and then we get them. >> pelican bay houses the most dangerous individuals in t
. >> richard kirkland has worked at pelican bay since 1992. in 2004, he became warden of the prison. >> we have approximately in any year, particularly over the last several years, somewhere between 700 and 800 reportable incidents. we end up using force of some sort, whether that's pepper spray, physical holds or otherwise in probably some 400 of those. >> inmates are assigned points based on the severity of their crimes and propensity to inflict violence on other inmates and...
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or to put it another way, 2,336 rolls of kirkland brand toilet paper. or 187 pounds of cashews. more than a 4% mark-up on all retail items. business is booming since the art was first listed two weeks ago. if you go online, you notice all the masterpieces are out of stock, sold out. >> i mean, i like costco, but for fine art, i would rather be in person. >> they're a big company, and i would trust to buy fine art from them. >> reporter: the artwork will join other luxury offers like jewelry and wedding dresses. believe it or not, fine art has been sold at lines before. sears sold through their catalog in the 1970s. get this. your warhol comes with a money-back guarantee if you don't like it. that just might be better than 15 minutes of fame. john muller, abc news, new york. >> i may be the only person on the planet never been to a costco. but i think it's great they have that stuff there. >> wait, have you been to sam's? >> no. i grocery shop. i am not a club member. i know that makes me anti-american. >> if you have a kid, you need diapers en masse. >> right. >> you go to costc
or to put it another way, 2,336 rolls of kirkland brand toilet paper. or 187 pounds of cashews. more than a 4% mark-up on all retail items. business is booming since the art was first listed two weeks ago. if you go online, you notice all the masterpieces are out of stock, sold out. >> i mean, i like costco, but for fine art, i would rather be in person. >> they're a big company, and i would trust to buy fine art from them. >> reporter: the artwork will join other luxury...
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kirkland air force base is more vulnerable. >> tell that to the people who are still working there today. there are a thousand people who have jobs because we saved that mission. >> we are going to move on. we're going to stay within the state with a final question. >> new mexico had both its largest and most expensive wildfire's the sheer -- wild fires this year. some have alleged that mismanagement by the forest service was to blame for the size and severity. do you agree? >> i think our federal government has failed to maintain our public lands. you can see that all across this state. the federal government has been cutting back on grazing permits. i supported the healthy forest act which would try to accelerate the ability of people to maintain the public land. our forests are full of fuel and they are tender boxes. we saw the same thing in the lincoln forest. these fires, when they happen, are absolutely catastrophic. we need to get back to multiple uses of federal land. that includes crazing, selective logging -- grazing, selective logging. >> we have the fire seasons we have today
kirkland air force base is more vulnerable. >> tell that to the people who are still working there today. there are a thousand people who have jobs because we saved that mission. >> we are going to move on. we're going to stay within the state with a final question. >> new mexico had both its largest and most expensive wildfire's the sheer -- wild fires this year. some have alleged that mismanagement by the forest service was to blame for the size and severity. do you agree?...
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to put it another way, 2,336 rolls of kirkland brand of toilet paper or 187 pounds of cashews.ostco says it keeps the cost below those of most galleries by charging no more than a 14% markup. business is booming since the art was first listed weeks ago. if you go online, you notice these masterpieces are sold out. >> i mean, i like costco. but for fine art -- i'd rather be in person. >> they're a big company and i would trust buying fine art from them. >> reporter: the artwork will join other luxury offerings at costco like jewelry and designer wedding dresses. believe it or not, fine art has been sold at discount chains before. sears sold picassos, rembrandts, and chagals back in the 1970s. and get this, your warhol comes with a money back guarantee. if you don't like it. that might just be better than 15 minutes of fame. for "good morning america," john muller, abc news, new york. >> who knew? hey, sam i i saw you had your eye on the matisse. >> i know where you're going, george. i got it. no. let's get to the boards. one or two things we need to talk about. we talked about t
to put it another way, 2,336 rolls of kirkland brand of toilet paper or 187 pounds of cashews.ostco says it keeps the cost below those of most galleries by charging no more than a 14% markup. business is booming since the art was first listed weeks ago. if you go online, you notice these masterpieces are sold out. >> i mean, i like costco. but for fine art -- i'd rather be in person. >> they're a big company and i would trust buying fine art from them. >> reporter: the artwork...
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and 2, 336 rolls of kirkland brand of toilet paper or 187 pounds of cashews. costco says it keeps the cost lower than most galleries by charging no more than a 14% markup. business is booming since listed weeks ago. if you go online, you notice these masterpieces are sold out. >> i like costco, for fine art, i'd rather be in person. >> they're a big company and i would trust buying fine art from them. >> reporter: the artwork will join other luxury offerings at costco like jewelry and designer wedding dresses. believe it or not, fine art has been sold at discount chains before. sears sold rembrandts back in the 1970s. and get this, your warhol comes with a money back guarantee. for "good morning america," john muller, abc news, new york. >> who knew? sam, i'll tell you, with the matisse -- >> i know where you're going, george. let's get to the boards. one of the things going on that we need to talk about, we talked about that cold air that's pushing through the country. how about soaking rain for a good part of the east coast. it starts in the southeast with t
and 2, 336 rolls of kirkland brand of toilet paper or 187 pounds of cashews. costco says it keeps the cost lower than most galleries by charging no more than a 14% markup. business is booming since listed weeks ago. if you go online, you notice these masterpieces are sold out. >> i like costco, for fine art, i'd rather be in person. >> they're a big company and i would trust buying fine art from them. >> reporter: the artwork will join other luxury offerings at costco like...
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we lost the f-16's out of kirkland. they used to have an f-16 mission, when i left they were on the short list because i got them there along with our bipartisan dell gigs to get the joint strike fighter. within four months of you taking office, vermont got our national guard fighters and we no longer have a unique mission. the tacos are no longer a main dish, they're a side salad and as a result of that, kirkland air force base is more vulnerable. >> tell that to the people still working there today. there are a thousand people who have jobs because we saved that mission. >> we're going to move on but thank you. we're going to stay -- we're going to have a pair of questions here. >> new mexico has its largest and most expensive wild fires this year. some, including representative steve pears have alleged that mismanagement by the forest service was to blame for the size and severity of the fires. do you agree? we start with representative wilson. >> i think our federal government has failed to maintain our public lands
we lost the f-16's out of kirkland. they used to have an f-16 mission, when i left they were on the short list because i got them there along with our bipartisan dell gigs to get the joint strike fighter. within four months of you taking office, vermont got our national guard fighters and we no longer have a unique mission. the tacos are no longer a main dish, they're a side salad and as a result of that, kirkland air force base is more vulnerable. >> tell that to the people still working...