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anthony ramirez/attorney for terrence kirkpatrick: "this is disgusting."be this video...-nats arrest video-it's the very first time we are seeing 30- year-old terrence kirkpatrick arrested...struggling... handcuffed at his apartment -- last november.anthony ramirez/attorney for terrence kirkpatrick: "handcuffing is a use of force and that use of force just like any other use of force has to be reasonable." terrence kirkpatrick/claims mesa, az police used excessive force: "every time i see a police officer...i'm very uncomfortable kirkpatrick was actually the one to call police... to report someone trying to break in.but police quickly realized he had two misdemeanor warrants.-nats arrest video-kirkpatrick's attorney doesn't deny what mesa police point out: he repeatedly resisted arrest. -nats arrest video- but...kirkpatrick is cuffed, allegedly hog-tied -- and possibly ignored when he said he was in pain.kirkpatrick even says an officer used a racial slur. -nats arrest video-referencing other court cases, they say police used those cuffs as weapons -- not
anthony ramirez/attorney for terrence kirkpatrick: "this is disgusting."be this video...-nats arrest video-it's the very first time we are seeing 30- year-old terrence kirkpatrick arrested...struggling... handcuffed at his apartment -- last november.anthony ramirez/attorney for terrence kirkpatrick: "handcuffing is a use of force and that use of force just like any other use of force has to be reasonable." terrence kirkpatrick/claims mesa, az police used excessive force:...
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miss kirkpatrick mentioned it. the budget does have a halfy draw on fund balance, meaning the balance that's available from the current fiscal year. what that means is while the coming two years is balanced using that prior year source, that will create challenges in just beyond the budget view, and i think the last budget estimat that the three financial offices prepared estimated approximately a 500 million structural gap in year through just outside of the two year window, so worth highlighting. reserve requirements are met in the proposed budget. you've established a number of different financial policies, andse are being met, and i'll talk through the status of some of these reserves a little bit later. as kelly mentioned, there are two new reserves created. one, a $70 million for unknown labor collective next year, and then,40hatil been sid a for federal-state impacts. again as miss kirkpatrick mentioned, the potential repeal of sb 1 on the november ballot being a significant one. voter required baselines are
miss kirkpatrick mentioned it. the budget does have a halfy draw on fund balance, meaning the balance that's available from the current fiscal year. what that means is while the coming two years is balanced using that prior year source, that will create challenges in just beyond the budget view, and i think the last budget estimat that the three financial offices prepared estimated approximately a 500 million structural gap in year through just outside of the two year window, so worth...
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kelly kirkpatrick. >> good morning, committee members. kelly kirkpatrick. in reviewing the budget, both of the controller's office on the technical end, there are a myriad of errors, coding errors, project codes that need to be adjusted, one-time costs that were accidently loaded as ongoing or vice versa. we have them outlined in the letter. the attached detailed sheet that outlines each of these changes is not with the letter at this time, but it will be submitted to you this afternoon electronically, and i believe it is the advice of the city attorney that you accept these, and perhaps we can wait until wednesday once the technical sheet has been provided to you for review and perhaps some other technical adjustments will be put to you at that time, as well. >> supervisor cohen: all right. do you want to walk us through the technical adjustments around 1:00? >> i'm happy to. would you like me to receipt the bullets? >> supervisor cohen: yes, just for the public. >> collecting entries in the public tru
kelly kirkpatrick. >> good morning, committee members. kelly kirkpatrick. in reviewing the budget, both of the controller's office on the technical end, there are a myriad of errors, coding errors, project codes that need to be adjusted, one-time costs that were accidently loaded as ongoing or vice versa. we have them outlined in the letter. the attached detailed sheet that outlines each of these changes is not with the letter at this time, but it will be submitted to you this afternoon...
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lots to talk about, david kurt hat trick, staying around with us -- david kirkpatrick.e live at the mobile congress in shanghai. there.oined by big names later will speak to the world's , is viable ai startup cofounder joins us at 12:30 p.m. sydney time. this is bloomberg. ♪ kathleen: we have to bring you new zealand's latest trade balance numbers for the month of may. two hundred 94 million new zealand dollars, that's the sum of the trade balance, exceeding the survey of 100 million, more than the prior month. exports rose nicely, 5.40 2 billion, imports up 5.12 billion and a number that's looking a bit better than forecast. the new zealand dollar there still trading a little bit weaker as we head into trading in new zealand and asia. haidi: the question is, does it actually move the needle given policythat monetary decisions this week. probably not, kathleen. you may have heard of the group , they have aicorns combined a relation of $300 million, topping the list of chinese tech stocks. the social media stars have also begun their own ascent in the highflying, rapidly
lots to talk about, david kurt hat trick, staying around with us -- david kirkpatrick.e live at the mobile congress in shanghai. there.oined by big names later will speak to the world's , is viable ai startup cofounder joins us at 12:30 p.m. sydney time. this is bloomberg. ♪ kathleen: we have to bring you new zealand's latest trade balance numbers for the month of may. two hundred 94 million new zealand dollars, that's the sum of the trade balance, exceeding the survey of 100 million, more...
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joining me to kirkpatrick correspondent for "the new york times."ppreciate you being here tonight. >> my pleasure. >> i'm not going to guess how you obtained these emails from tom barrick which made up the spine of your story today. but can you tell us about the process of -- of putting these pieces together, figuring out that the mueller investigation is looking to other countries to see if there was potential cooperation with the russian erence effort. >> well, the reporting about mueller's interest in the uae and saudi arabia was prior to the tom barrick reporting. that's reporting centered on george nader as you said. and it all comes together in the seychelles meeting you discussed in past a meeting convened by the united arab emirates and george nader bringing together er of the trump administration in their view with a businessman close to vladimir putin. and i thi we know for sure that that meeting has caught the interest of the special prosecutor and that they're asking questions about nader, about nader's connections with russia, about eff
joining me to kirkpatrick correspondent for "the new york times."ppreciate you being here tonight. >> my pleasure. >> i'm not going to guess how you obtained these emails from tom barrick which made up the spine of your story today. but can you tell us about the process of -- of putting these pieces together, figuring out that the mueller investigation is looking to other countries to see if there was potential cooperation with the russian erence effort. >> well, the...
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and i'm happy to recognize kelly kirkpatrick and her team, and i want to recognize emily cohen and jeff kovitsky for their patience and flexibility. since there are no questions, i'd like to make a motion to accept the rebalancing plan in the h.s.h. and mohcd budgets. all right. seconded by supervisor sheehy, and i will take that without objection. all right. thank you very much. [ gavel ]. >> supervisor cohen: thank you, miss kelly. [please stand by] >> supervisor cohen: that captured a very large number of people. i recommend we increase funding for senior services to help seniors continue to live in their home and for workforce development. these are issues that my colleagues have highlight. i want to welcome any suggestion on how that funding could be more specifically -- should be more specifically allocated as they are fairly high levels. i suggest that we allocate more funding to mental health services. which i directed towards homeless individual and family. i would welcome any of your feedback if it should be more or less. i suggested a significant one time investment in year t
and i'm happy to recognize kelly kirkpatrick and her team, and i want to recognize emily cohen and jeff kovitsky for their patience and flexibility. since there are no questions, i'd like to make a motion to accept the rebalancing plan in the h.s.h. and mohcd budgets. all right. seconded by supervisor sheehy, and i will take that without objection. all right. thank you very much. [ gavel ]. >> supervisor cohen: thank you, miss kelly. [please stand by] >> supervisor cohen: that...
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kirkpatrick. >> thank you for the question. the perspective from the mayor's office was that i.t. services on this level should come from a city wide perspective and lens, and so not wanting to add kind of disparate c.i.o. roles across the city was the direction of the mayor's office. >> supervisor cohen: so saying that this project is not approved by coit. >> i don't know if it would need coit approval. i believe there has been some analysis done, and the sheriff can speak to that. >> the analysis was by the controller's office doing an audit of our i.t. unit, and i would just say that this is something that in our department you have to think of the jail particularly as being like a hospital in terms of the kind of data that we collect and that we use. and in the re-envisioning, one of the issues across the board was the ability of everybody to collect and be able to provide data for good decision making. so this is something that i was felt very strongly about to be honest with you, because we need a c.i.o. the police department has one. d.p.h., and of course, they are both lar
kirkpatrick. >> thank you for the question. the perspective from the mayor's office was that i.t. services on this level should come from a city wide perspective and lens, and so not wanting to add kind of disparate c.i.o. roles across the city was the direction of the mayor's office. >> supervisor cohen: so saying that this project is not approved by coit. >> i don't know if it would need coit approval. i believe there has been some analysis done, and the sheriff can speak to...
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and then after we complete this action, we will go to miss kelly kirkpatrick for her presentation for technical amendment. i want to recognize the chief and his staff that are here. thank you for being here today. no need to come up kak. i think we have enough information from you over the last several days. this is a conversation between the committee members and the analysts on the budget office, as well as the controller. colleagues, i want to give the budget legislative analyst office a opportunity to kind of walk us through the thoughts. they've listen to the conversation for several hours. as have we all. i want to recognize miss campbell. thank you. >> good morning. members of the committee. i'm here from the office of analysts. we made our recommendation to -- the twaddle police academies, the new police commissions adding up to about 100 police sworn spots in the next 20 years. our recommendations are based on our audit findings that we considered police finding to be adequate in the police district. that the proposed increases for investigations and foot patrols, the need wa
and then after we complete this action, we will go to miss kelly kirkpatrick for her presentation for technical amendment. i want to recognize the chief and his staff that are here. thank you for being here today. no need to come up kak. i think we have enough information from you over the last several days. this is a conversation between the committee members and the analysts on the budget office, as well as the controller. colleagues, i want to give the budget legislative analyst office a...
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i wanted to see, i don't know if kelly kirkpatrick wants to add. no, nothing to the discussion. thank you. is there anything else you want to give to us? >> an i want toing a knowledge the leadership of supervisor -- i want to acknowledge the leadership of supervisor ronen and the brave survivors who have twoek ties in public now and i work closely and positively with director davis and director garcia. i hope together we can solve this problem. >> supervisor cohen: thank you very much. we're going to move on to the mayor's budget and hear from miss kelly kirkpatrick. >> thank for your presentation. you can begin. i have the c.f.o. for the mayor's office of housing and community development. we are in agreement with the b.l.a. policy recommendation and i am here to answer any questions you might have about the budget. >> we recommend reductions totalling $75,000 in 2018-2019. they are all one-time savings. the reductions would increase of 37.6% of the 18-19 budget. in addition, as she mentioned, it will be recommended to place on reserve and depending the results to dedicating t
i wanted to see, i don't know if kelly kirkpatrick wants to add. no, nothing to the discussion. thank you. is there anything else you want to give to us? >> an i want toing a knowledge the leadership of supervisor -- i want to acknowledge the leadership of supervisor ronen and the brave survivors who have twoek ties in public now and i work closely and positively with director davis and director garcia. i hope together we can solve this problem. >> supervisor cohen: thank you very...
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kirkpatrick, budget director or acting budget director. the included in their budget, the 0922, and it's approximately $150,000 per year but we'd have to get back on the exact dollar amount but it's in the bark. >> is there the flexibility to increase that if the person is high leveled and very skilled? >> there's various e-term echanisms that it can be addressed through the budget and the department would have to work with h.r. to do that. >> what are those mechanisms? >>m not familiar with them. he mcp as well as various -- >> for the folks mmcp is? >> mancmempensation, classification plan. which is for managers of the 0922 is part of that. >> that's the classification? >> yes, that applies there. and it depends at which steps the person is brought on and there's various steps for all of the positions as well that has a room for growth. >> we have been talking with our budget analysts just about cost savings so we may be able to, if we need to, to pull from other places. >> i thank you very much and i su yee?ate yourtionp. >> supervisor
kirkpatrick, budget director or acting budget director. the included in their budget, the 0922, and it's approximately $150,000 per year but we'd have to get back on the exact dollar amount but it's in the bark. >> is there the flexibility to increase that if the person is high leveled and very skilled? >> there's various e-term echanisms that it can be addressed through the budget and the department would have to work with h.r. to do that. >> what are those mechanisms?...
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at chief kirkpatrick's request, vivian got to visit the department, and even enjoyed a belly rub, right in the middle of her office . >> it's an opportunity for people to engage in family conversation the police officers pick nothing having to do with the lease. nothing having to do with anything but engagement. >>reporter: officer receiving -- see the irony of police living this pig. but, it's nothing they haven't heard before . >> i have been called every name in the book, and then names that i have never even heard of. oh, nothing really-this is just part of the arena that we operate in. >>reporter: to the chiefs knowledge, she is not violating any health codes, because vivian was only a visitor for a couple of hours, and brought smiles to officers faces, who have seen some gruesome things on the topic >> i want our officers and all of them -- our members of our police department to be well and to be whole and to be happy. and, they do see a lot of tragedy. if it puts a smile on our officers face, our professional staff's face, anyone in our community that pig?s a double take, yes. a
at chief kirkpatrick's request, vivian got to visit the department, and even enjoyed a belly rub, right in the middle of her office . >> it's an opportunity for people to engage in family conversation the police officers pick nothing having to do with the lease. nothing having to do with anything but engagement. >>reporter: officer receiving -- see the irony of police living this pig. but, it's nothing they haven't heard before . >> i have been called every name in the book,...
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they're all sitting over here, and to keller kirkpatrick, our acting budget director, can we give her a round of plauz? [applause] >> and i want to acknowledge my chief of staff, jason elliott, jason, thank you for everything. [applause] >> so before i dive into the specifics of the budget, i do want to acknowledge where we have been over the past seven months. i think we all remember where we were when we heard about mayor lee's passing and the shock that it felt. no one could have possibly anticipated that our mayor would have been taken from us in december, taken from the city that he loved. we all have endured a lot since that fateful night. many of us have cried, many of us have mourned, but we have come together as a city. we have definitely had our disagreements and debates over the past seven months, but we have stayed together, defending the values of san francisco. and while our local economy continues to thrive, san francisco faces real challenges every single day. well, you all understand that a mother should not have to choose between paying her utility bill or paying ren
they're all sitting over here, and to keller kirkpatrick, our acting budget director, can we give her a round of plauz? [applause] >> and i want to acknowledge my chief of staff, jason elliott, jason, thank you for everything. [applause] >> so before i dive into the specifics of the budget, i do want to acknowledge where we have been over the past seven months. i think we all remember where we were when we heard about mayor lee's passing and the shock that it felt. no one could have...
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kirkpatrick and here in the studio, sarah frier. single headen roll since this whole cambridge analytic a scandal exploded. mark zuckerberg has said it is my fault. but is this the first one to go as a result? sarah: i think it is clearly not being portrayed as anything like that. they are not even using the word leaving the country -- leaving the company. they are saying he is stepping down as an advisor. elliott has been through a decade of facebook. they'd, this man has had to deal with. from the ipo to privacy scandal after privacy scandal. era and he is a political guy. he helped facebook become a political company. the heart ofing to their evolution. it is kind of an interesting time for departure especially considering the facebook shareholder who called him out for being sexist last week. he had said the reason facebook wasn't listening to her concerns is that she wasn't nice. and sexist comment. he later apologized. so that was the latest drama. emily: which is interesting because elliott has already's been perceived as she
kirkpatrick and here in the studio, sarah frier. single headen roll since this whole cambridge analytic a scandal exploded. mark zuckerberg has said it is my fault. but is this the first one to go as a result? sarah: i think it is clearly not being portrayed as anything like that. they are not even using the word leaving the country -- leaving the company. they are saying he is stepping down as an advisor. elliott has been through a decade of facebook. they'd, this man has had to deal with....
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i have a capital planning question for you kelly kirkpatrick. oh, she not here. >>speaker: ashley -- i will try my best answer you question >> since this process was approved in capital planning $3 million woulde w et additional ten year capital plan to go with this? ben do you want a stab at it? >>speaker: so the capital planning committee has approved capital budget for the upcoming fiscal year and comes in the mayor's budget to you at the board of supervisors and that included $3.3 million allocation in the coming fiscal year for official work to proceed with rfp process and r that linda has talked through today. i think what you are eluding to is the biggest project is not specifically programmed in the city's 10 year capital plan and that is scheduled to be updated next w der. winter.i would assume if it movs through, it should absolutely be part of the capital plann front of this board nextpring. >> what money for the municipal fiber system is planned for fiscal year '18-'20 budget? >>speaker: there is the 3.3 that's approved as part of capital planning and
i have a capital planning question for you kelly kirkpatrick. oh, she not here. >>speaker: ashley -- i will try my best answer you question >> since this process was approved in capital planning $3 million woulde w et additional ten year capital plan to go with this? ben do you want a stab at it? >>speaker: so the capital planning committee has approved capital budget for the upcoming fiscal year and comes in the mayor's budget to you at the board of supervisors and that...
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david kirkpatrick, sarah friar. micron technology, the largest u.s.aker of computer memory chips said chinese regulators visited its offices in that country, a move that opens a front and a growing trade dispute between china and the u.s. chinese media reported that some sun and sk hynix received visits from local regulators seeking information. coming up, silicon valley adding operations in europe. we will talk to the bank about opportunity in the region. if you like bloomberg news, check us out on the radio. you can listen on the bloomberg radio app, bloomberg.com, and in the u.s. on sirius xm. this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪ caroline: silicon valley bank may be known for its operations in the tech held, but also has a presence in europe. it announced it is expanding to germany and opening offices in frankfurt. so why into this market now? our guests join us right here in london. frankfurt was an interesting choice. i used to cover the tech scene in berlin. why frankfurt? >> because of longer-term ambitions in germany to build a big bank where you will find
david kirkpatrick, sarah friar. micron technology, the largest u.s.aker of computer memory chips said chinese regulators visited its offices in that country, a move that opens a front and a growing trade dispute between china and the u.s. chinese media reported that some sun and sk hynix received visits from local regulators seeking information. coming up, silicon valley adding operations in europe. we will talk to the bank about opportunity in the region. if you like bloomberg news, check us...
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kelly kirkpatrick, if you could verify that. that's $1 million over -- $1 million for one year, correct, for last year's process? she's looking it up. she will get back to us. let's pivot to your other -- >> supervisor sheehy: sure. again, i would say that we can have that conversation one of the arguments that i was looking at is that sometimes at least the way it's been in terms of the requests that have come in, some of the different budget priorities shift given the fact that some departments that work with different organizations don't necessarily -- we don't see the same type of budget priority request, if there's been that target over two years and then a different request this year, for instance. an example would be, that we were working to fund transitional youth employment intervention work, so we worked with the department of children, youth and families on that last year. we're now pretty solid in terms of moving the conversation forward. we don't see the same level of request that we're seeing for this year. we do h
kelly kirkpatrick, if you could verify that. that's $1 million over -- $1 million for one year, correct, for last year's process? she's looking it up. she will get back to us. let's pivot to your other -- >> supervisor sheehy: sure. again, i would say that we can have that conversation one of the arguments that i was looking at is that sometimes at least the way it's been in terms of the requests that have come in, some of the different budget priorities shift given the fact that some...
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i'd like to call up kelly kirkpatrick to discuss technical amendments. >> thank you for your patience. i had to get all the papers together. the clerk should be bringing them over to you. i have included three rounds of technical adjustments. round one is what you had heard on monday? all the technical cleanups about balancing overhead entries, correcting work orders, accurately reflecting grant amounts, and it includes the detail which i submitted to you all via e-mail over monday, but i wanted you to have that full package to accept. round two of which there's a letter as well as excel sheet is attached are actualizing the rebalancing plans for homeless and mohcd, so it was removing all items related to proposition d that was included in the first budget, removing the state revenue, reflecting the updated retiree health benefits, addressing expenditures both at h.s.h. and mohcd to fund homeless services and the legal assistance program as well as redistributing the fund balance to support that plan? the third technical adjustment is perthe controller's office request for the hotel t
i'd like to call up kelly kirkpatrick to discuss technical amendments. >> thank you for your patience. i had to get all the papers together. the clerk should be bringing them over to you. i have included three rounds of technical adjustments. round one is what you had heard on monday? all the technical cleanups about balancing overhead entries, correcting work orders, accurately reflecting grant amounts, and it includes the detail which i submitted to you all via e-mail over monday, but i...
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brian chu and kelly kirkpatrick from the mayor's budget office and we're happy to answer any questions that you have. >>> great, thank you very much. i guess my first question is, correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that mayor lee's plan was to cut budget by 15% in the fall of last year? >>> by 15%? no, it wasn't quite that much. >>> how much was it? >>> i don't remember. do you remember the target? >>> the target proposal was 2.5% proposals from all departments. >>> does that include the mayor's office? did he himself impose those cuts? >>> working with the department, we worked to submit the mayor's budget together. all departments are asked to submit target proposals and we take ones that don't require service reductions. >>> i know it was submitted. was it built into the budget? >>> we largely took target reductions from the department of public health. and it actually wasn't a reduction. we looked at places where there was growth of revenue to help support the budget, to help balance the budget. it was largely dph that supported the target assistance. >>> so then the answer is
brian chu and kelly kirkpatrick from the mayor's budget office and we're happy to answer any questions that you have. >>> great, thank you very much. i guess my first question is, correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that mayor lee's plan was to cut budget by 15% in the fall of last year? >>> by 15%? no, it wasn't quite that much. >>> how much was it? >>> i don't remember. do you remember the target? >>> the target proposal was 2.5% proposals from...
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after public comment, we will hear from kelly kirkpatrick on the rebalancing plan, and i will offer some brief remarks on the proposed spending plan that is now public.
after public comment, we will hear from kelly kirkpatrick on the rebalancing plan, and i will offer some brief remarks on the proposed spending plan that is now public.
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and jillian johnson and kelly kirkpatrick from the mayor's budget office for your guidance, and special thanks to the controller's office for your ongoing support. maureen singleton and i are here today and more than happy to answer any questions you may have. [please stand by for captioner change]. -- ongoing savings. $300,000 one-time savings. reductions would further reduce the planned decrease of its 1920 budget to the a decrease of $9,508,737 or 6% in the 19-20 budget. as i understand it, the department does concur with our reductions shown on pages 37 and 38 of our report. >> supervisor cohen: so the savings include capital expenditures and savings? >> that's right. >> supervisor cohen: and savings from retirement and lower freight delivery and licensing fees. >> correct. >> supervisor cohen: last week we talked about rfid. it was a spirited conversation, if you will. do you want to make a presentation about it? >> i can certainly offer some additional remarks. let me first state that the only risk or way a patron's borrowing habits could be compromised is through unauthorized acc
and jillian johnson and kelly kirkpatrick from the mayor's budget office for your guidance, and special thanks to the controller's office for your ongoing support. maureen singleton and i are here today and more than happy to answer any questions you may have. [please stand by for captioner change]. -- ongoing savings. $300,000 one-time savings. reductions would further reduce the planned decrease of its 1920 budget to the a decrease of $9,508,737 or 6% in the 19-20 budget. as i understand it,...
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>> you don't mind me answering, kelly kirkpatrick. committing the mayor's budget on june 1st and we are considering it as a source to help balance the general fund for that budget and more details will be provided on june 1st, but we are considering that a general fund balancing source. >> supervisor yee: thank you. >> supervisor cohen: don't worry, june 1st, all living for june 1st. some for june 5th, too, i might add. certainly in this committee, this world is living for june 1st. ok. so, the b.l.a. made a recommendation as it relates to item 6. can we take that recommendation without objection? >> ion't believe it's a recommendation to amend, just to approve. >> supervisor cohen: thank you very much, appreciate that. let's take items 5 and 6 together and i'll make a motion to approve with the positive recommendation. may i take that without objection? and supervisor yee second that motion. without objection, thank you. >> items 5 and 6 adopted without objection with supervisor sheehy being absent. >> supervisor cohen: that's right.
>> you don't mind me answering, kelly kirkpatrick. committing the mayor's budget on june 1st and we are considering it as a source to help balance the general fund for that budget and more details will be provided on june 1st, but we are considering that a general fund balancing source. >> supervisor yee: thank you. >> supervisor cohen: don't worry, june 1st, all living for june 1st. some for june 5th, too, i might add. certainly in this committee, this world is living for...